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World Cup 2018

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clubchamp98 said:
Just not good enough in midfield , no creativity.
Just one question for me “Is Kane to big to be substituted “
He was to deep , never kept up with play , even in the first half we had no presence in the box.
The time to bring Vardy on was when we were winning and they were pushing forward.
The spaces were there then .
But he waited until we were 2-1 down and they were sitting back.

Pub team defending for their second goal.

Very dissapointing But it was good to be there.
Its never easy supporting England but thought Croatia deserved it.
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here's another question for you, had that been Sterling that missed those chances tonight, how would the public be reacting ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Anyway back to the match

A few of England issues got found out tonight

Walker at the back - he isn’t a CB and whilst he can get away with lapses of concentration at right back you can’t do it at CB

They just didn’t have the creativity to try something different than a set peice , Sterling again had a good game , his runs were superb and when he went off their backline prob breathed a little easier , sorry but Rashford wasn’t great when he came on , Ali was all over the place. Another very hard working game from Young and Lingard , Kane in open play has worked very hard but lacked a little quality on the ball

For me four players stand out for England and it also highlights a reason why they just fell short

Pickford , Maguire , Henderson and Trippier

All four have been superb in every game they played - Pickford was superb tonight prob the Motm , Maguire was solid again , Henderson gets nothing but stick but I’m glad some have seen how good a player he is and England’s best player is Trippier - he has prob earned himself a very big money move
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Some interesting comments, most of which I agree with, in particular about the four best players. Think overall Trippier had the best tournament or at least was certainly most surprising.

Regards tonight, our biggest weakness was found out, and like I said before the match we were found out in midfield battle. There 3 got too much space and time in second half and the quality told. Whilst I agree Henderson had a good tournament he was far too exposed tonight and we need a player of similar quality to come through so we can get them on at the 60/70 min mark with fresh legs.

Don’t quite agree with the sterling/rashford assessment, think rashford was much more direct and offered a different approach, don’t think defences are particularly terrified of just raw pace anymore, maybe 10 years ago. But that’s a bit simplistic now. Although he can be brilliant when him alli and Lingard are playing quick interchanges.
 
The national obsession with scapegoats will probably start now, but thankfully everyone did their bit.

That said, I think Vardy should have been on for Alli or Lingard earlier and/or Loftus cheek. Southgate has done a fantastic job overall, though
 
Beezerk said:
Slightly worse but you’re just trying to prod a pimple, sad really mate.
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What are you talking about ?? You ask a question, is Kane too big to be subbed, I ask, what is Sterling had missed those chances ?? Stop reading things that aren't there...

Now again, Sterling would've been lynched had he missed those chances, Kane....oh may be he's carrying an injury etc.
 
Cabby said:
here's another question for you, had that been Sterling that missed those chances tonight, how would the public be reacting ?
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Thought Sterling was ok tonight but Kane dosnt look himself can you carry an injured player because he’s captain.
He didn’t look fit to me.
He should have squared it to Sterling in first half

Its all ifs and buts, but Kane is the MAIN striker Sterling isn’t.
 
It was a great effort and while the draw was kind, we laid a ghost to rest against the last 16 and beat a solid Sweden side. For 45 minutes we were the better side tonight. However, when under the cosh in the second half we lacked a play maker like Modric to pick a pass. That has been an issue in other games and in my opinion the bigger weakness we have at the moment. I think as TV said, Kane was probably carrying a knock tonight and didn't look on the pace. I suggest he was kept on in case we went to penalties. I think we need to be able to switch formations too and if I was going to make a small criticism of Southgate, and I think he's done a fantastic job, it's that he seems reluctant to adapt to what is in front of us and change if we need to. I wonder if that's something he'll learn from
 
Cabby said:
But Sterling has been a bit of a scapegoat has he not, where tonight, Kane will get off scot free.
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I have been critical of Sterling because he is a chicken with no head with pace.
But he is not the main striker Kane is.
Would be interesting to see Kane’s heat map tonight , he’s to deep and I just don’t understand why have him deep and Sterling going past him knowing his finishing is poor.

Maybe the lack of creativity in midfield Southgate has asked him to drop to help out.
I just don’t see the tactical sense .
 
clubchamp98 said:
Just not good enough in midfield , no creativity.
Just one question for me “Is Kane to big to be substituted “
He was to deep , never kept up with play , even in the first half we had no presence in the box.
The time to bring Vardy on was when we were winning and they were pushing forward.
The spaces were there then .
But he waited until we were 2-1 down and they were sitting back.

Pub team defending for their second goal.

Very dissapointing But it was good to be there.
Its never easy supporting England but thought Croatia deserved it.
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The problem with England is that they struggle when the play against a team that are comfortable in possession. They like breaking at speed, which I think was their ultimate downfall.

They went at it for the first Twenty minutes of each game except the Sweden one and they tired noticeably towards the end of each game.

They need to breed youngsters who can play a more continental style of keep ball. Much the same for Scotland, Wales and NI. The fans won't tolerate that though.
 
On reflection i think we need to consider the opposition we have played to get where England did. Yes we exceeded expectations and yes we had a great chance to get to the final which with a bit more experience and better finishing we may well have done, but... we struggled to beat Tunisia. Panama would do well to compete in the conference tbh. We then play a nothing game against a 2nd string Belgium side and get into the favourable side of the draw, where we come up against another poor side in Columbia who should have been dead and buried before we gave away a last minute equaliser and then we play Sweden who have to be the worst Sweden side for many a year. We then play a seasoned and proper outfit in Croatia and get beat and apart from the first half controlled the rest of the game, whilst we lacked any kind of creativity or threat. Well done to the lads anyway for getting to the semis and Southgate has done a a great job.
 
At the end of the day Croatia were the better team and deserved to go through.
England were great first half, but were no where in the second or extra time period.
We really miss a creative player in midfield to open things up.
Yes we got further than expected, but we were fortunate with the draw
 
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