Wilsonstaff Ci9's or FG Tour Irons?

[kid2]

Evening folks,
I hope someone maybe able to sway me in the right direction here.
Ill try keep the post short.
I tested the new wilsonstaff irons today and im caught in a dilemma...I currently play the Di7's and im looking to take another step up....Iv hit the Ci9's today as well as there Fg tour irons both with stiff shafts....I hit both well but im told that the Fg's are aimed at the low to mid handicapper and as im at the high end of the mid handi capper im wondering whether i would be stepping out of my comfort zone with the Fg's.....there so sexy i wanted to buy them today but i held off until i consulted with the forum....My ball striking is pretty consistant for a handicap of 20
Also the Ci9's had a rifle shaft on them is this anything to be alarmed about....i think there called FST stepless steel shafts?
I would love anyones opinions on this as well as any lovers of wilson irons. Many thanks...
Mike.

 

[Tommo21]

I would be very careful if I were you and don’t get caught in the lights. I just got a set of irons and I’ve sold them already. I’m getting another set of what I had in the first place, thank god. I’m not the only one, just had a word with one of the green keepers, plays off 4, and he got a new set….they lasted 6 rounds and he’s back to his old ones.

In the last 4 or 5 years irons have not moved on much in design, engineering and material terms. It’s like reincarnation of a previous model with a wee tweak here and there. I would also be guarded with rifle shafts, as I only know a few players who can really get the benefit from them.

Do me a favour, just try a shinny new set of what you have right now. You might be surprised.

 

[RGDave]

I like Wilson Staff irons, but am boycotting the irons due to the loft business (and I prefer Mizuno t.b.h.).

By FG, you mean the tour as opposed to 59s?

Can't see the problem with these, a bit unforgiving (probably) but hey, so were the Pi7s and it doesn't seem to stop mid-h'cap players with a half decent swing.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm not a huge Wilson fan although I did have a set back when Fat Shafts cameout (Fatshaft tours I think). I never really liked them although I did swing them ok. There was just something about them (probably that fat shaft). Never used Wilson since. I think you need to be careful you aren't just buying something for the sake of it.

Off 20 although you say you are a good striker there is obviously a flaw for you to still be off that figure. Is a new set of clubs and particularly a better player set really going to help especially in a stiff shaft. Do you really swing fast enough to warrant a stiffer shaft and if so maybe that is a key to your problems. There have been a few tales on here recently of buyers remorse so weigh up the options.

My advice would be to go back and maybe try the clubs again in a regular shaft and see how they go. Then try them against the stiffer together so you get a direct comparision. Also by trying again you'll swing slightly differently (everyones swing changes slightly day by day) and so it may show up any potential problems with forgiveness. If at the end of the day you are happy with your choice go out and enjoy them and hopefully you'll handicap will tumble

 

[SharkAttack]

I would get the Ci9's if I were you. Just look at the amount of pro's who use cavity back irons and they are 23-25 shots lower in handicap.

Blades can be great for shaping the ball, but they are less forgiving on off centre shots. I know you say you are a quite consistent iron striker, but could it not be partly due to the fact you are using Ci7 cavity backs already? Remember at a 20 handicap you still need to hit greens and fairways, not certain sides of fairways or cut or draw the ball to the pin.

I really think people should not be thinking of blades until they are in single figures and even then only if they are very good ball strikers.

 

[kid2]

Hey Guys,
To homers questions i am off 20 but iv only played 2 comps since i started in may and i won 1 and got cut was at 21...
Im told i should be down around 14 maybe 15 and iv played comfortably to that during social round just for fun.....

Another question i have for you is my swing speed is averaging around 108 mph so i use all stiff shafts im my woods and driver as well as the hybrids. iv no problem hitting these.
Does this warrant stiff shafts in irons as well?


The reason i swayed towards the wilsons is i hate Taylormade never liked them
Callaway's too dear Ping im on the fence with and iv got noone selling mizuno's anywhere near me.

Also i cant see the justification of the bigger brands charging astronomical prices for clubs that do the same job as some of the cheaper brands....

 

[kid2]

I really think people should not be thinking of blades until they are in single figures and even then only if they are very good ball strikers.

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Hi sharkattack the FG tours are actually a cavity backed iron aimed at the mid to low handicapper.... There forged with a slightly smaller head than tne Ci9's and a little offset but still have some forgivness in them.

 

[SharkAttack]

I'll stick by my earlier post about blades. Don't have a problem with Wilson, hell I even had a set of Tour Blades ( but I played off 4 at the time). Back when cavity backs were called Pings as they were about the only ones on the market.

Shafts- Try both and see what ones give you the tighter grouping without losing you distance. Too stiff a shaft will lose you distance and normally cause you to cut the ball.

 

[SharkAttack]

Hi sharkattack the FG tours are actually a cavity backed iron aimed at the mid to low handicapper.... There forged with a slightly smaller head than tne Ci9's and a little offset but still have some forgivness in them.

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Sorry when I saw mid to low handicap on your first post I automatically thought blades (Should have checked I suppose).

Remember bounce games are different from Competitions, less pressure and the course is normally a couple of hundred yards shorter. I would therefor wait until you are down to 14/15 before I changed. But hey thats me, always want to make sure what I have is the best for me. The Ci7's are good enough to get you there and beyond.

 

[kid2]

Thanks for the input sharkattack.. ...Its good advice for me i think in fairness the most likely progression for me are the Ci9's as like i said earlier the Fg tours even being as sexy as they are maybe too much out of my comfort zone......

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Where do you live? There must be an American Golf, Nevada Bob or other main outlet within a reasonable drive that would stock Mizzy. What about other makes like Cleveland CG gold or red, Nike VR combo (bladed on short irons and cavity on the longer ones). What sort of budget you looking at?

Where did you get your speed measured as that seems pretty fast for an iron? 108 sounds fair enough for stiff if its correct but I'd still be tempted to try regular and see what difference in dispersion and distance you get

I don't mean to tbe rude but I've been told I should be lower from time to time and in my head I probsbly think of myself as an 7 or 8 handicapper. However my handicap tells a different story so I'be careful about listening to what others say (unless its coming from a pro and then I'd be finding out what I need to do technically to get to 14 or 15) and I'd be careful about being too confident about your abilities. Its great you won and got cut a shot and I've no doubt there may be a 14 or even lower player in there but you need to be realistic with where your game actually is right now.

I'm not trying to be negative but only offering an objective view. If you feel you can play lower and blades or smaller cavity backs (I'd give the I15's a go if you want a forgiving so called better player club) are what you see as the way forward then go for it. I also think you might want to look at the new R9 TP (might be out of your budget) as they might change your opinion of TM clubs

 

[kid2]

Hi Homer.
No offence taken whatsoever....
Iv had my swing speed measured by my local pro on one of those swing analyzers.
As i said thats my drivers swing speed so i dont know if the irons would be slower or faster.
I live in limerick in southern ireland and to my knowledge theres no American Golf within 150 miles of me even further.There is a Nevada Bobs i think in Cork which is a good distance also from me....
I dont like Nikes and the Clevelands are lovely but nobody stocks these either.....

As for the handicap issue i take it with a pinch of salt like you said unless it was from a pro....It is flattering to be told that but you;ve got to be realistic also.

I know myself what im capable of and im really lookin forward to my first full season....


Iv got a budget of 450€
The Ci9's are 499€ and the FG Tour's are 450€

 

[HomerJSimpson]

kid2

Sorry I didn't realise that there weren't the same sort of franchise choices in the Republic (ever thought of running a golf store - sounds like an opportunity!). If thats what a pro has said then maybe stiff is the way to go. I'd still try a regular just so you know. It can't harm

It sounds like you're here for the long haul and prepared to put the work in to get your handicap to where you want it. Go forward with the shiny new bats and create some scorecard carnage.

 

[kid2]

I wouldn open a golf shop in this country in a fit homer..... It/d be a great little country if only you could roof it
The recession is hitting fairly hard over here...
And yes im in for the long haul iv givin myself a goal of being down to 12 by this time next year as iv retired from the football i used to train tuesdays and thursday nights and have a match on a sunday so iv substituted the training for 2 nights on the range untill feb with my match substituted for the golf on sundays....
Fingers crossed it'll work

 

[Midnight]

Hi,

If I am wrong please correct me , but did you try those Seve Icons MD ?I think I remember a post about their Hybrids and you were going to try some of them.

If so can you let me know what they were like Please.

Cheers and good luck with your choice.

Midnight...

 

[didsbury_duffer]

Off your handicap, try the Mizuno MX100's, you will not be disappointed. IMO, Mizuno make the best irons, by a considerable distance, and the MX100's should suit your current game. You can then progress to a different set of Mizunos when your handicap warrants it. Am I being a tad biased here??

 

[kid2]

Hi,

If I am wrong please correct me , but did you try those Seve Icons MD ?I think I remember a post about their Hybrids and you were going to try some of them.

If so can you let me know what they were like Please.

Cheers and good luck with your choice.

Midnight...

Hi midnight ,
Your correct i settled for the 24* with the proforce v2 shaft.....its a great club that i would recommend to anyone struggling with there long irons....
I get a nice penetrating ball flight with it...

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The thing with the Mizuno 100's is that if you wait a bit longer they will be superceded by the new 1000's and so you may pick them up much cheaper