why dont we look after our own first

Fish said:
I agree with this and would go further in saying, lets get our own lazy buggers back to work before pointing fingers at others, and yes their is work out their but many want to pick & choose and aren't prepared to lower their standards and get back lower on the ladder and work their way up again. I'm not for one minute saying its easy and some people aren't genuinely finding it tougher in some areas, but, I'm of the ilk that if you want to work, you can, its out their.

Our flak jackets in NI where old, ripped, shared at times in the 70's and early 80's, some servicemen don't know their born with what's available to them nowadays.
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Spot on this mate,really winds me up when folk don't work because they can't find a job they enjoy. In an ideal world we'd all have the dream job. But it's not an ideal world so just get a job to pays the bills.
 
Fish said:
The SLR might have been a beast for its time but I trusted it more than anything else I was given
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You didn't get many stoppages with it and it was certainly effective
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I'm guessing you are also not happy with comic or sport relief as well - and Band Aid must have really got on your tits.
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No really. those above get my money by choice. the government give ours away. I agree with what u said about us being a non selfish country but working in the emergency services opens my eyes to what effects cuts are having to saving lifes. Any doctors or paramedics of here will agree with what a joke things are. Just strikes a nerve when we send money abroad having just witnessed a heart attack victim wait on the floor for an ambulance. And yes benefit cheats are a new class Of riff raff
 
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hovis said:
I've noticed from almost every post you make you purposely go against the grain. Is this to start a debate? Or you just being plain obstructive. not saying dont get involved but cant you just take his word for it and get on topic or do you like to pick the bones out of it first.
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There's a difference between 'being plain obstructive' and 'correcting fundamental errors'.

I'm inclined to believe LPP in this instance. Good to know your mate survived though.

Both Armed Forces and Medical staff are having to make decisions that they know will involve life and death - not the sort of decisions I would fancy making. That doesn't mean we (via The Government) shouldn't provide International Aid - and the method of quantifying it (by a percentage of GDP) seems entirely reasonable to me - or specific appeals for disaster relief.

It seems to me that there is too much low profile funding NOT done by Government, but done though appeals/collections etc. But that's a personal pov - as a foreigner.

I'm totally unconvinced that 'we' should be involved in Afghanistan in the first place. And that's separate to my belief that the 'war' is un-winnable!
 
Pin-seeker said:
Spot on this mate,really winds me up when folk don't work because they can't find a job they enjoy. In an ideal world we'd all have the dream job. But it's not an ideal world so just get a job to pays the bills.
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Only it isn't spot on at all, is it? The unemployed massively outnumber the available jobs. That isn't open to debate or interpretation, it's stone cold fact.
 
Kellfire said:
Only it isn't spot on at all, is it? The unemployed massively outnumber the available jobs. That isn't open to debate or interpretation, it's stone cold fact.
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But how many of the unemployed actually want work that is more the issue. I know people that have been unemployed for over a decade. You mean to tell me they have not been able to find a job in that period. The problem is a lot of them are better off on benefits and unemployment than actually going out to work and until this changes nowt will alter.
 
In_The_Rough said:
But how many of the unemployed actually want work that is more the issue. I know people that have been unemployed for over a decade. You mean to tell me they have not been able to find a job in that period. The problem is a lot of them are better off on benefits and unemployment than actually going out to work and until this changes nowt will alter.
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Those out of work who aren't properly seeking work is a completely different situation than the ridiculous claim that "there is work out there" when that simply isn't true for a massive number of people. Even poorly paid, menial jobs have a massive uptake in applicants in many areas.
 
There is still work out there but a lot of it doesn't pay more than what people can get for benefits

But there is jobs available for people
 
Kellfire said:
Those out of work who aren't properly seeking work is a completely different situation than the ridiculous claim that "there is work out there" when that simply isn't true for a massive number of people. Even poorly paid, menial jobs have a massive uptake in applicants in many areas.
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But there are jobs out there though even though there are large amount of applicants. If you do not succeed in one you try again until you find something. Sooner or later something will turn up. If you want to work then you will find something. Too many people think this is beneath them and the 'I'm not doing that attitude' is alive and well. Sorry far to many slackers who are happy to claim and hope it will fall in their lap. It does not work like that. Go on the job centre website and there are thousands of jobs listed
 
Kellfire said:
Those out of work who aren't properly seeking work is a completely different situation than the ridiculous claim that "there is work out there" when that simply isn't true for a massive number of people. Even poorly paid, menial jobs have a massive uptake in applicants in many areas.
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My brother in law lost his 60k a year job and next day started delivering chinese food. personly I think there is always work out there but too many pick and choosers
 
In_The_Rough said:
But how many of the unemployed actually want work that is more the issue. I know people that have been unemployed for over a decade. You mean to tell me they have not been able to find a job in that period. The problem is a lot of them are better off on benefits and unemployment than actually going out to work and until this changes nowt will alter.
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I've advertised for a few positions within my past businesses, I would ask for them to write in first and yet I would get phone calls asking what the pay was first as they didn't want to apply for something if the pay wasn't good enough!

The flip side of that was receiving CV's from FMD's and the very experienced ex-white collars for drivers or drivers mates positions knowing that as soon as something better came about they would be off and what you have invested in them would be lost and you'd have to go through all the process again, which is costly!

I think companies trying to find good staff is harder than the unemployed just finding a job which when the numbers are allegedly the other way around, it shouldn't be so....
 
To all of the above, I won't bother calling you all wrong individually, I'll do it collectively. You're over simplifying to the point of being wrong.

There are more unemployed people than there are jobs available at any given time. There is NOT work available for everyone of all experiences.
 
Kellfire said:
To all of the above, I won't bother calling you all wrong individually, I'll do it collectively. You're over simplifying to the point of being wrong.

There are more unemployed people than there are jobs available at any given time. There is NOT work available for everyone of all experiences.
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But there is work available - work that some people won't do because he doesn't pay more than the benefits. That I know is true

A mate works in the Job Centre and hundreds of jobs are available but people won't go for them - cleaning etc.
 
Kellfire said:
To all of the above, I won't bother calling you all wrong individually, I'll do it collectively. You're over simplifying to the point of being wrong.

There are more unemployed people than there are jobs available at any given time. There is NOT work available for everyone of all experiences.
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So, with 6 pages of job vacancies advertised each week, masses of pick & pack positions on days & nights, shifts etc at the many distribution warehouses we have here, why are there so many ongoing vacancies and still so many unemployed?
 
Kellfire said:
To all of the above, I won't bother calling you all wrong individually, I'll do it collectively. You're over simplifying to the point of being wrong.

There are more unemployed people than there are jobs available at any given time. There is NOT work available for everyone of all experiences.
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If thats correct then why has there been a "drivers wanted" sign outside my local dominos for over a month?
 
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