Who's right.....Ping or Cleveland??????

[Smiffy]

Word has it that the new Ping G20 Driver due for release within the next month or so is going to have a heavier head than the G15.
Yet Cleveland are putting all their money into lighter heads to help up the swingspeed and improve distance.
Who's right and who's wrong???

So confusing this game sometimes.

 

[0]

Titleist went the lighter route also with the 910, lighter can help with club head speed as long as its not too light.

 

[One Planer]

TaylorMAde also went down the lighter route with the Superfast and Burner ranges.

Begs the qustion. Does it really matter at our level of play (By this I mean not pro')??

 

[USER1999]

May be Ping have found a market for heavy drivers.

Odd, as you would think the oldies would like a nice light club to swing.

 

[Oddsocks]

it depends what market ping and cleveland are heading for. If you take TM as an example, the burner/superfast range features very light heads aimed at clubman golfers, the R11/R9 clubs have heavier heads aimed more for lower handicap players.

Are ping going heavier to try and crouch more into the players market, and are cleveland going lighter to merge more into the clubman scene.

 

[JT77]

I have a tm supertri now, and the head is lighter than my 909 was.
I found that the 909 with the heavier head had a more solid contact and was more controlable, perhaps ping are going for control over speed, maybe it wont go as far, but will probs hit more fairways

 

[HickoryShaft]

My last driver, 3 wood and hybrid were Benross V5's which I thought were decent (for my level) at the time.

I was offered (and grabbed at the chance) a TM R9 driver and 3 wood and have found they are definitely longer and straighter.

The main difference in feel was a significantly lighter shaft and what felt like a heavier head. I could not work out if this was just because the shaft was so light in comparison and made the head feel heavier or it actually is. Very solid contact with both clubs now.

Recently was bought an R11 hybrid as a gift and I am still surprised how weighty the head feels, again the shaft is very light - very solid club and lovely contact though.

 

[thecraw]

I was under the impression that it was the shafts that Cleveland reduced the weight of.

 

[sev112]

Energy E = mv2 (squared - cant do superscript)
So normally the increase in velocity is the key factor , but increasing weight will also increase energy transfer if you get the same speed.

Presumably it's a balance of the two, taking into account stability, drag force, and also taking account that sticking a little bit of extra weight in at the right spot might get an optimum moment of inertia and launch angle.

 

[Smiffy]

Energy E = mv2 (squared - cant do superscript)
So normally the increase in velocity is the key factor , but increasing weight will also increase energy transfer if you get the same speed.

This is what I was thinking

 

[sev112]

Energy E = mv2 (squared - cant do superscript)
So normally the increase in velocity is the key factor , but increasing weight will also increase energy transfer if you get the same speed.

This is what I was thinking

i knew you were an educated man.

Next week's lecture is on Statistics, with a sub-theme of why Low-Mid Handicap golfers are statistically less likley to win anything

 

[Imurg]

I was under the impression that it was the shafts that Cleveland reduced the weight of.

The heads are lighter too. 3 different weights depending on what you want.

My only worry about these light clubs is that although they increase clubhead spedd, that increase has to lead to a loss of control. The TM shafts are usually longer than normal and this doesn't help either.

 

[Ethan]

Depends where the two sets of previous models started, doesn't it?

One manufacturer could reduce weight, the other increase weight, but both still end up at the same weight.

 

[Essex_Stu]

Ping are never wrong . In all honesty though they are going against the grain compared with other manufacturers(on drivers)