Mungoscorner
Journeyman Pro
Too much spare time can be a very dangerous thing.
Who do I contact for health and safety?
- Thread starter JustOne
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Tommo21
Tour Winner
Surely if they don’t take any notice, and if you and others feel strongly enough about it, there must be something in your clubs constitution where by, if you get enough signatures, then a special meeting would then need to take place.
Fader
Tour Winner
Have to admit when I first saw the thread I wondered if JO was on a wind up. But having read through it and seen the images I actually think he has a very good point that the club do need to look at and address.
What is the Cub name? Just so I know to bring my Kevlar hat if I play it.
What is the Cub name? Just so I know to bring my Kevlar hat if I play it.
sev112
Tour Winner
James - it is the Local Authority that is the Enforcing Body for GolfmClubs in general, other than for LA owned courses .
But you have to remember that they are only interested in H&S AT WORK, so they will have no interest in sporting activity (other than the lesser possibility that someone at work at the golf course is in physical danger while at work).
So unfortunately, we net the realms of 3rd party accidents and suing each other, which is where we then enter the realm of companies imposingntehbodd and sometimes draconian rules we occasionally hear of to protect them from getting sued.
My last bit of advice - do NOT waste any money going out to get professional advice on this matter. H&S law is a highly "interpretative" subject, and there are more polarised views on the HSE Construction H&S forum than there are on here !
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Sev112
In my old job I was sometimes asked for my views on planning applications for golf clubs in the SW of England and Wales.
No matter how stupid or unsafe the course plans were [eg 4 holes crossing] it was no reason for rejection. For safety the council only had a say in things like public footpaths, housing, road, rail links etc.
As you say there is a care aspect for the employees perhaps that is an avenue that JO might explore.
Speaking of which it always amazes me why hard hats are not compulsory for greenstaff using machinery.
In my old job I was sometimes asked for my views on planning applications for golf clubs in the SW of England and Wales.
No matter how stupid or unsafe the course plans were [eg 4 holes crossing] it was no reason for rejection. For safety the council only had a say in things like public footpaths, housing, road, rail links etc.
As you say there is a care aspect for the employees perhaps that is an avenue that JO might explore.
Speaking of which it always amazes me why hard hats are not compulsory for greenstaff using machinery.
sev112
Tour Winner
Noted, but the appendix to the legislation related to enforcement of H&S legislation in the UK, it lists LAs as the Enforcement Agency for golf courses. But they only enforce in relation to issues involving people at work, and it tends to be the EHO that turns up.
andycap
Head Pro
I can understand the concern , there are many courses where golfers are at risk from errant shots and better course design could often reduce that risk . But as far as risk and responsibility are concerned , is it any different from the risk of being hit by a ball at a cricket match, or a car part at a motor racing event. If you are prepared to be there after having paid your money and being made aware of the risks then perhaps the golf club have fulfilled their obligation . If i was hit by a ball i would like to think i wouldn't seek compensation , like wise if i hit someone else , we all know the risk and we are still willing to play .May be a bit different if i was walking outside of the course and i was hit , but who is responsible to make sure that balls stay within the boundaries of a course .
Perhaps we are getting to a stage where everyone needs to have a personal insurance policy to live . If i wash my car and someone slips on the water crossing the pavement , if a towel blows off the line and knocks someone off a bike , the list is endless, i could get sued , the claims culture is growing at a rapid , perhaps unstoppable pace.
Perhaps we are getting to a stage where everyone needs to have a personal insurance policy to live . If i wash my car and someone slips on the water crossing the pavement , if a towel blows off the line and knocks someone off a bike , the list is endless, i could get sued , the claims culture is growing at a rapid , perhaps unstoppable pace.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Are you saying that you wouldn't seek compensation if, because of the nature of the injury, you were prevented from earning a living? Or that it was going to cost you hundreds of thousands of pounds to fit out your house to cater for the injury received?
To me, the Course Management has a responsibility to take sufficient reasonable steps to make the playing environment safe for users. If it doesn't do so, it is negligent! All that is being discussed is what is 'reasonable'. JO's assertion, which seems to be supported by the evidence of recent strikes and near misses, is that the status quo is not sufficient.
To me, the Course Management has a responsibility to take sufficient reasonable steps to make the playing environment safe for users. If it doesn't do so, it is negligent! All that is being discussed is what is 'reasonable'. JO's assertion, which seems to be supported by the evidence of recent strikes and near misses, is that the status quo is not sufficient.
andycap
Head Pro
Obviously given life changing injuries like you describe, i would want compensating but through insurance . I would not want to financially ruin another family over it . Like i say , perhaps we should all have insurance as mandatory .I cannot think of one course that i play where there isn't real potential to hit or be hit by a ball , like i said better course design could reduce risk , but risk will always be there .So speaks the man that hasn't got insurance but i'm sure considering it now i've thought about this topic.
