What's Happened.

[SocketRocket]

Lot of folks seem to have got out of the wrong side of the bed today. Things change -always did, always will, get over it!, try living somewhere else and you might appreciate what a bloody great country we have.

Have you lived anywhere else? I have, lots of places and I know if I was younger I would not hesitate to live somewhere else. There is no way I would want to raise my family in Britain now. Things have never changed in the way they have recently, we have never seen an increase in the population like we have recently, it is completely without precedence and will get much worse. How can public services give the level of support people have come to expect in the past.

 

[JustOne]

How can public services give the level of support people have come to expect in the past.

Which ones? We've always complained about them which is why they seem to crop up every time in a political party's manifesto come election time. When exactly was it good?

 

[MegaSteve]

Which ones? We've always complained about them which is why they seem to crop up every time in a political party's manifesto come election time. When exactly was it good?

Well certainly in my time....

I can remember when you could see your GP on the same day you made the call and if required he would come to your home... I can remember when you got old you could be provided with decent and proper care from the state if required... I don't believe you would find either of those 'services' these days...

 

[SocketRocket]

Which ones? We've always complained about them which is why they seem to crop up every time in a political party's manifesto come election time. When exactly was it good?

From the Cencus:

3 million immigrants came into the country in the last 10 years. Think how many Towns and Citys that fills.

7.5 million people in the UK were born abroad.

How do you think this might affect local services?

My Daughter is expecting her first child in March, she lives in Birmingham (I guess you have not been there lately) She cannot get a place in a local Maternity Hospital, she must go to one 40 miles away.

I guess you are not looking for a local Authority House. If you were you would see that waiting lists have increased 60% in the last six years.

Schools in many areas are bursting at the seams.

How can services stay as they were with this type of population increase and less money on the table. They just cant.

 

[Iaing]

The problem in this country now is there are so many people in positions of power whose agendas don't comply with the traditional British way of life and its values.

 

[JustOne]

Well certainly in my time....

I can remember when you could see your GP on the same day you made the call and if required he would come to your home... I can remember when you got old you could be provided with decent and proper care from the state if required... I don't believe you would find either of those 'services' these days...

Do you think we could have more GP's if Google/Amazon/Starbucks/Harrods etc etc paid their company taxes?

 

[MegaSteve]

Do you think we could have more GP's if Google/Amazon/Starbucks/Harrods etc etc paid their company taxes?

In theory yes... But I personally wouldn't trust any of our politicians to see the NHS got any extra ahead of tax cuts for the already well off...

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you think we could have more GP's if Google/Amazon/Starbucks/Harrods etc etc paid their company taxes?

Are you aware how much our country is borrowing each month to pay for things like our bloated welfare bill and Civil service. The Taxes you mention would not scratch the surface. These companies also employ many people and pay National Insurance and Income Taxes, etc, they dont exactly pay nothing. They dont even break the law, they get away with not paying Corporation Tax by legal means.

 

[JustOne]

The Taxes you mention would not scratch the surface.

You're right,.... £11BN - £25BN amounts to nothing. Would barely buy a coffee

How many GP's salaries, or nurses, or policemen, or teachers would that be?

 

[Iaing]

You're right,.... £11BN - £25BN amounts to nothing. Would barely buy a coffee

How many GP's salaries, or nurses, or policemen, or teachers would that be?

Why should we need more GP's?

Here's a very simple statistic which I can't get my head around.

In the village I grew up in in the 60's and 70's there were two GP's in the doctors practice.
In the adjacent village there were also two GP's.
These doctors did home visits and out of hours emergencies.

In the 1990's the two practices merged, and employed another two doctors. They still did home visits out of hours.

There are now nine doctors in the practice.
You don't get house visits out of hours.

Can someone explain to me why, for a population which hasn't increased, we now have more than twice the GP's providing less services than before?

 

[JustOne]

Why should we need more GP's?

No reason other than as a response to MegaSteve's post implying that services had somehow been cut and something must be to blame for that as it's tainting society not having these home visits

 

[MegaSteve]

Why should we need more GP's?

Here's a very simple statistic which I can't get my head around.

In the village I grew up in in the 60's and 70's there were two GP's in the doctors practice.
In the adjacent village there were also two GP's.
These doctors did home visits and out of hours emergencies.

In the 1990's the two practices merged, and employed another two doctors. They still did home visits out of hours.

There are now nine doctors in the practice.
You don't get house visits out of hours.

Can someone explain to me why, for a population which hasn't increased, we now have more than twice the GP's providing less services than before?

Then your community is 'lucky'... I grew up in a 'village' [believe it is considered the largest in England]... We had four doctors, all living in the village, now four decades on despite the building of a shiny new health centre... There are still four doctors serving the same village with a population increase of nearly a third... None of the doctors live locally and they have to use locums to try and fill the gaps... Situation is even worse where I now live... Simply not enough doctors at any of the local surgeries and no I don't know why... Local population has boomed whilst care services have shrunk... I can remember when you could walk into the local A+E and get dealt with in minutes absolutely no chance of that now... You can't keep importing bodies for no good reason other than 'cheap labour' without first ensuring those already here won't be impacted on...

 

[MegaSteve]

No reason other than as a response to MegaSteve's post implying that services had somehow been cut and something must be to blame for that as it's tainting society not having these home visits

Back in the day 'home visits' would have been considered an important part of healthcare... Certainly one of my brothers is still here because of excellent healthcare provided by GP's living and working in their local community...

Now, if you get a home visit, its highly likely it'll be someone thats never seen you before and quite possibly likely never see you again...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I do wish posters would stop generalising by saying 'This country'.

I am aware that there are quite a few places in the UK where I would not like to live. Those places are usually where most of the employment is. If you move to [for example] London for a better salary don't complain about the quality of life.
Quality of life is very important to me that is why I live in a lovely rural envoirnment. The cost of housing is about a quarter of the price of SE England, the schools and health services are superb, crime is non existant and there is a real sense of community.

So please do not say 'this country' in my name.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My Oz relative sent me this.

'Good morning,welcome to the Austrailian social and benifits office.
Press 1 if you speak English.
If not press 2 to disconnect until you can.'

Have a G'day.

 

[SocketRocket]

You're right,.... £11BN - £25BN amounts to nothing. Would barely buy a coffee

How many GP's salaries, or nurses, or policemen, or teachers would that be?

Not sure about those numbers.

The issue is not how much more tax people should pay, we pay too much already. Would you like us all to pay more tax to justify the effects of social engineering?

You apear to be content with the direction and values of modern Britain. If thats the case and you like what you see then enjoy the journey. IMO your children will inherit a place you wont recognise anymore though.

 

[SocketRocket]

I do wish posters would stop generalising by saying 'This country'.

I am aware that there are quite a few places in the UK where I would not like to live. Those places are usually where most of the employment is. If you move to [for example] London for a better salary don't complain about the quality of life.
Quality of life is very important to me that is why I live in a lovely rural envoirnment. The cost of housing is about a quarter of the price of SE England, the schools and health services are superb, crime is non existant and there is a real sense of community.

So please do not say 'this country' in my name.

In fairness we are not talking about fields in the Cotswolds or forests in the highlands.

 

[sydney greenstreet]

Get me to 60 then it's pack up time and Spain for me .

Are you not doing what others are doing ? moving to a Country that suits them ?

 

[MegaSteve]

I do wish posters would stop generalising by saying 'This country'.

I am aware that there are quite a few places in the UK where I would not like to live. Those places are usually where most of the employment is. If you move to [for example] London for a better salary don't complain about the quality of life.
Quality of life is very important to me that is why I live in a lovely rural envoirnment. The cost of housing is about a quarter of the price of SE England, the schools and health services are superb, crime is non existant and there is a real sense of community.

So please do not say 'this country' in my name.

I was born here in the South East/London... Have lived here all my life, paid all my taxes, yet I shouldn't expect a decent "quality of life"...

 

[Fader]

I do wish posters would stop generalising by saying 'This country'.

I am aware that there are quite a few places in the UK where I would not like to live. Those places are usually where most of the employment is. If you move to [for example] London for a better salary don't complain about the quality of life.
Quality of life is very important to me that is why I live in a lovely rural envoirnment. The cost of housing is about a quarter of the price of SE England, the schools and health services are superb, crime is non existant and there is a real sense of community.

So please do not say 'this country' in my name.

Does that mean those of us that were borugh up here and didn't move here should also not have the right to speak about quality of life.

I could move to Lancashire as I have a lot of family roots there, but there are similar areas there as there are to here but it's not London so thats ok!

Also no one has said it in your name they've spoken about their local areas and how it is now. Nothing wrong with that, i'd suggest if you don't like whats being said thats fine but don't tell people they can't think that way because you live in a nice part of the counrty that you happy with.

Yes we could move away somewhere, but there are other factors that need considering with those choices.