colintrav
Assistant Pro
Are you one of those chaps that has the belief that just because on paper the best player will always win ??
Are you one of those chaps that has the belief that just because on paper the best player will always win ??
Ethan
Money List Winner
Actually I would have been happier if Garrigus had parred the last in regulation.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
And then imagine the stick poor old Westwood would get for not closing the deal
BROOKIE
Challenge Tour Pro
I DONT THINK EVEN WESTWOOD THOUGHT HE COULD WIN,BUT NO ONE WOULD BEGRUDGE HIM A TITLE AFTER THE WAY HES PLAYED THIS YEAR
Robobum
Money List Winner
Garrigus' 3rd shot on 18 is one of the most ridiculous shots I've ever seen a pro decide to take on. His 18th hole performance rivals Jean Van de Velde's @ Carnoustie in the stupidity stakes.
Never saw all the coverage to get the facts so can anyone shed light on Karlson's hesitation over shots?? Is he going through swing changes or something??
Speaks volumes for his game if he is right there in contention when not trusting what he is doing 100%.
Never saw all the coverage to get the facts so can anyone shed light on Karlson's hesitation over shots?? Is he going through swing changes or something??
Speaks volumes for his game if he is right there in contention when not trusting what he is doing 100%.
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birdieman
Guest
Agree Garrigus third was bizarre, nerves got the better of him.
Karlsson was very steady but a bit defensive I thought on 18 taking a gentle hybrid three times off the tee (normal play and twice in playoff) to leave himself 30 yards behind Westwood. Don't care how good the pros are if you can approach from 140 rather than 170 to a tight flag your chances of getting to birdie range are much higher as Westwood proved....in the end.
Playing safe par golf in a playoff maybe isn't the best approach.
Karlsson was very steady but a bit defensive I thought on 18 taking a gentle hybrid three times off the tee (normal play and twice in playoff) to leave himself 30 yards behind Westwood. Don't care how good the pros are if you can approach from 140 rather than 170 to a tight flag your chances of getting to birdie range are much higher as Westwood proved....in the end.
Playing safe par golf in a playoff maybe isn't the best approach.
Definitely a mental block by Garrigus but not sure it ranks with Van de Velde in the context of what they were playing for, I grant you the win and everything exemption wise etc would have been on his mind though. I thought Westwood did well to grind it out but the shortgame still looks weak for this week
muttleee
Tour Rookie
Why didn't his caddy grab him by the collar and shake him until he agreed to play it safe?! Isn't that (roughly) what caddies are supposed to do in that situation?
Ethan
Money List Winner
I agree that the third shot was a disaster to compound his previous disaster. I wonder if he looked at possible landing areas and decided that going along the edge of the water with a pitch was not a great and decided to try to muscle it somewhere around the green?
Anyway, worked out very badly and then the stymie at the 18th on the first playoff hole was a cruel break.
Anyway, worked out very badly and then the stymie at the 18th on the first playoff hole was a cruel break.
Robobum
Money List Winner
If I was his caddy, I'd have covered all the clubs in his bag except the pitching wedge, even if it meant having a tug of war with him as he tried to grab a 6 iron!! Bearing in mind that he's also done his caddy out of around $30k or so!!
The pitch out sidways over the water that he then had was actually a very good shot in the circumstances.
The pitch out sidways over the water that he then had was actually a very good shot in the circumstances.
Did think he was unlucky to run out behind the tree and not have a shot. Can't see Westwood winning the big one this week though. His driving went walkabouts again under the pressure of the last few holes and his short game is still no better than average
RGDave
Money List Winner
What, like as bad as ours?
His driving goes walkabouts, he's only got an average short game............He's just won a PGA event and he's No3 in the world. You set your bar very high Homer.
Twire,I totally agree with Homer on this one,he is number 3 in spite of it not because of it.
DCB
Well-known member
Tried three different PCs in the office and they all read the same for Dodgers last post. Must be a fault on the server surely
Ethan
Money List Winner
Westwood might win this week (although I doubt it), but he will need to up his game a bit to do so as he will not be offered the same generosity and the field will be rather stronger.
Sorry Dodger, but you don't get to No3 in the world rankings by having an "average short game". I'll agree he's not got the best short game on tour, but to call it average is a bit harsh.
didsbury_duffer
Challenge Tour Pro
I agree - too many hyper-critical comments on here. In the last 2 to 3 years he has gone from 250 in the world to number 3. He has lost a shedful of weight and become fitter. He has contended in many of the majors. He won the RTD last year. He has just won a PGA event. His driving is usually the best part of his game and his putting has improved immeasurably. OK, his chipping from just off the green isn't top notch, but I seem to recall that some other great players had faults (Trevino - out to in swing, Seve - wayward driving, Langer - yips, etc..etc). Some of you guys need to step back into reality, because you seem to be comparing everyone with Tiger circa 2005/6 when he was at his peak. That level of consistency will probably never be surpassed again.
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I was delighted that Westwood won in Memphis and I hope he wins this week.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Actually it is perfectly possible to get to number 3 or better with an average short game. Westwood is usually a decent GIR man and when he putts he shoots low. When he starts to miss greens, he does not do so well.
Jack Nicklaus is widely considered to have been an average short game player, but a great putter. He did OK.
According to European Tour stats, Lee Westwood is 79th in scrambling, with 55.4% up and downs, compared to Luke Donald who is 1st with 71.9%. Westwood's GIR is not great either, at 93th place, down a bit from last year. I suspect his GIR is better in the US.
However, those data are quite definitely, to use statistical language, "average".
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