Using Better Inward Half in the event of a tie

[freddielong]

Its not that I dont want them winning either its the fact that they win almost everything, golf is the only sport where you get rewarded for not playing your best all the time - almost all competions are geared towards handicapped golfers why not have it the other way around I like playing competitive golf and am limited to 7 competions a year

 

[Dodger]

Freddielong your post makes no sense,if you play of 15 and that is the lowest you have ever been and shoot net 65 to win then surely you have been awarded for playing the best you ever have?
I play off 2 and I am not limited to 7 comps a year as I can compete in all comps....that is what my handicap is for as is my 17 hcp pals handicap!

 

[nmartyn]

freddie - of course you are right, the handicap system is done to level the playing field and of course there are occaisons where a high handicapper plays a very good round well below there handicap - hence gains an advantage.
the same is true of a lower handicap player.

isn't the handicap system what makes golf unique though? the mere fact that all can play, together regardless of skill?

i've been a keen footballer for years and have taken a season out because i haven't got the time to commit to training and i don't want to play at a sub-standard level.
this is a shame, but with golf you can pick and chose when u play/practice. and not everyone is worried about playing to sub 10handicap levels.....
having been playing for a year one of the best things about golf is my other mates, who weren't footballers, can now get involved with my weekend activities and we all get our together, they're not as good as me but we play together and try to help each other improve.


golfs a game for all and so may it continue

 

[Twire]

Its not that I dont want them winning either its the fact that they win almost everything, golf is the only sport where you get rewarded for not playing your best all the time - almost all competions are geared towards handicapped golfers why not have it the other way around I like playing competitive golf and am limited to 7 competions a year

If you don't think you have a chance of winning the handicap comps, then don't enter them. The same as I don't enter the scratch comps, for that very reason.

 

[Robobum]

It's only the limitations you are putting on it. Doesn't it make you competitve to think that you've got to play your best round ever just to compete??

I enter the majority of comps at my club with little chance of winning most. But it's my personal satisfaction to shoulder barge my way on to the leaderboard in amongst all the higher h'cappers.

I managed to finish 2nd on Sunday in a comp that has no divisions, I had to shoot a gross 4 under 66 to get there. That give me more satisfaction than an extra tenner on my pro shop account or a piece of silverware that stays at the club all year anyway

 

[freddielong]

Freddielong your post makes no sense,if you play of 15 and that is the lowest you have ever been and shoot net 65 to win then surely you have been awarded for playing the best you ever have?
I play off 2 and I am not limited to 7 comps a year as I can compete in all comps....that is what my handicap is for as is my 17 hcp pals handicap!

Yes but you still only went round in 80 how can that be better than you going round in 68 - yes you can play but once you get down really low you cannot compete

 

[Dodger]

Right so basically there shouldn't be a handicap system then?
Not everyone has the talent to play to low figures that is why we have a handicap system!
I seem to recall you play off plus 3 or something...what happens when you reach the age of 65plus?I take it you are going to pack in cos you won't want to win a medal off say a 6 handicap then?

 

[RGDave]

The use of BIH to determine a competition winner is inappropriate. I think that in the event of a tie, the player with the lowest gross score should be the competition winner - after all, while both players have played very well with respect to their golfing ability, the low handicapper has played the best golf on the day.

I absolutely agree....yes, yes, YES!

Although it was years ago, I often missed out on a division "win" tied on xx points......what relevance is the back 9/6/3 holes on a stableford?.....give it to the better player, even if that means I get beaten.....

Or do I remember it wrong?

 

[freddielong]

I am not saying there shouldn't be one I am saying that it is geared towards the higher handicapped golfer and should be changed to encourage improvement and consitency rather than incosistency

 

[Imurg]

Freddielong your post makes no sense,if you play of 15 and that is the lowest you have ever been and shoot net 65 to win then surely you have been awarded for playing the best you ever have?
I play off 2 and I am not limited to 7 comps a year as I can compete in all comps....that is what my handicap is for as is my 17 hcp pals handicap!

Yes but you still only went round in 80 how can that be better than you going round in 68 - yes you can play but once you get down really low you cannot compete

with higher handicappers - yes. Total agreement here!

So don't play higher handicappers, don't enter competitions that have them. Leave us mortals with "normal" handicaps and go and play with your "super" handicap wannabee professionals. At your standard of play you shouldn't even be thinking of playing with us - you'll get beat most of the time.

Golf is only a level field from 28 down to about 2 or 3. After that you're playing a different game to us anyway.

 

[Smiffy]

DO NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT COUNTBACK!

(I was one of 3 players on 33 points at the Ascot meet and ended up coming 4th -

That's a shame Hywel

 

[CrapHacker]

Freddielong your post makes no sense,if you play of 15 and that is the lowest you have ever been and shoot net 65 to win then surely you have been awarded for playing the best you ever have?
I play off 2 and I am not limited to 7 comps a year as I can compete in all comps....that is what my handicap is for as is my 17 hcp pals handicap!

Yes but you still only went round in 80 how can that be better than you going round in 68 - yes you can play but once you get down really low you cannot compete

But given that ( for the purposes of this argument ) 80 = 68

Then the argument is that the player who hits the best back 9 ( or whatever ) wins.

Where does it say that low handicappers always come out of the blocks firing, but fade towards the end, whereas the steady Eddy higher handicapper is going to just play better the longer the game goes on ?

Surely, if there were to be any bias it would presumably be towards the better player, who may take the game more seriously, and thus think that fitness is important.

IE the unfit fat old git 24 handicapper will play a blinder until he runs out of steam with 4 holes to play.

That's what happens to me anyway.

Or have I got totally the wrong end of the stick here ( I find that doesn't help either )

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think the argument that high handicappers shouldn't be allowed to win (or even compete if some people had their way) almost laughable. That's the whole reason the system is in place to let a 28 handicapper play agains the low guys on an equal footing.

I played with a 28 handicapper last week and he went out in 27 points (4 over gross). He couldn't do a think wrong. He blew up a bit on the back 9 as he realised what score he had and could potentially score but finished with 42 points. He won his division (21-28 handicap) and has been cut to 26 accordingly. He had the best score he ever shot and has been cut. Why shouldn't he be allowed to win performing like that.

The majority of our medals and stablefords are split into divisions which owuld mean the + handicappers would only be competing with guys up to 12. That has to be a more realistic challenge.

We have a number of scratch events plus the club championship. I would never imagine winning that (scratch) but would fancy my chances in the nett event. Why shouldn't I play in this event and compete on a course set up at its toughest and test my game.

 

[pigmeister]

freddielong, whats your handicap and where do you play?

 

[Herbie]

I..........nearly started to answer this thread but gave up on count back!

 

[bobmac]

What would be the alternative?
If scores are tied, sudden death off the stick? Hardly fair

 

[Robobum]

Sudden death with a stick???

 

[Imurg]

Ouch!!!!

I hope they use Vaseline............................

 

[rgs]

Without a handicap system the game would only be played competitively off scratch (ooh forgot we have the pro tours for this).

High Handicappers are high handicappers for a reason, they do not play to a consistent level over the course of a round.

 

[bobmac]

I have the old-fashioned opinion that if i took up a new sport, I wouldn't expect to win a major prize in a club comp after only playing the sport for a few shots months/ years.
Pass the zimmer frame