Urgent Statement from PM today

[SocketRocket]

If TV debate is useless and Newspapers and other media are biased, campaign leaflets are lies, that only leaves us with manifesto's, shall we take them as bibles or as more lies?
Nothing changes then and we vote the way we always have or we are fooled by lies.
Were do we go to find the truth?

Oh! so cynical. personally I like to see what parties are laying out as their policy, consider their record and makeup then make a decision based on that.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

They do that in a manifesto.

They're not worth the paper there printed on! Successive Governments have broken manifesto promises!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Oh! so cynical. personally I like to see what parties are laying out as their policy, consider their record and makeup then make a decision based on that.

It's a genuine question, what should we trust?

 

[SocketRocket]

So many double standards on here today.

Turn it around and imagine what would have happened if Corbyn or Sturgeon had taken the same stance as May by refusing to debate.

May does not want to debate as she well knows that many of her parties policies are indefensible.

Even better, what if they just give us their manifesto, shut up and let us make our minds up. Not sure about you but I have a thing called a brain in my head that allows me to make decisions based on my own observations.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

In your opinion.

Every policy from every party is defensible as most of them are subjective and based on a political leaning. As for Corbyn or Sturgeon refusing a TV debate, I couldn't care less.

But here's one on your heroine, Sturgeon. On April 17th she criticised May for not having a mandate to be PM as she wasn't leader of the Cons at the last election, and should call one immediately. On the 18th April she criticised May for calling an election.... Sturgeon is becoming a joke. Usually comes across as a competent politician but seems to be getting desperate in recent months.

I am of an opinion that the two child rape clause is pretty indefensible by any caring human being.
Bedroom tax not far behind.

I would love to see someone on here debate otherwise.

 

[SocketRocket]

It's a genuine question, what should we trust?

Trust what your own observations, experience and gut instinct indicate what is in the best interest of yourself, family and country.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Once again i leave myself wondering who i put my trust in when going to vote and as normal sit here thinking is it worth it and why can't there be a "none of the above".

Since the last election it's been a couple of years of broken promises and a failed attempt to keep us in europe which imo was because the government we had were too weak and pathetic to keep us in so how on earth could I vote for them.

Then we have Labour - what a pathetic shower they are , clearly zero vision for the future and more intent on sending the county back to financial meltdown with a leader who sat there having tea with the IRA and is clearly not fit to run our country

And then there is the Liberals - a busted flush ever since they rolled over for the Tories , a leader who appears as untrustworthy as the rest of them

Can't be UKIP because I'm not a racist bigot and as far from their ideals as possible , I can't vote for SNP - and certainly wouldn't ever want to vote for a party that wants to break up the union and weaken my own country

So I'm left with Green Party or hopefully an Independent

What a sad sorry state our countries politics are right now - political parties only interested in themselves

Wish there was someone out there who actually cared about the UK and it's citizens

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Trust what your own observations, experience and gut instinct indicate what is in the best interest of yourself, family and country.

So not the manifesto you quoted before?

We're all intelligent people, the sad fact is we can't hold them accountable, look at the last lot of manifesto's, as they won the Tory is the only one that mattered within 100 days they'd broke at least 9 of their promises, now they've changed leader and called a GE therefore we've not had enough time to judge them,

Now we'll get new manifesto's

Maybe a bit naive, but to me the manifesto's should almost be legally binding, I can understand on change of Government from one party to another, the incoming party may not have all the facts, but a party re-elected has no excuses.

 

[SocketRocket]

I am of an opinion that the two child rape clause is pretty indefensible by any caring human being.
Bedroom tax not far behind.

I would love to see someone on here debate otherwise.

'two child rape clause' You should be ashamed of using terminology like that. If you are asking for someone to defend the 'Two child limit on Government child subsidies' then I am happy to oblige. Why should someone pay tax to subsidise other peoples children, especially with no upper limit on the number. If people decide to have children then it's their responsibility to provide for them. OK, if someone with more than two are temporarily out of work or ill then I would agree for them to be supported through benefits until they can get back to work. In the past, especially after the war the country needed more children and most were hard up, that's why the subsidy was introduced, it's not like that now and there is no reason why hard working people have to limit their family size when the feckless can have as many as they want and sometimes only as a cash source.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

'two child rape clause' You should be ashamed of using terminology like that. If you are asking for someone to defend the 'Two child limit on Government child subsidies' then I am happy to oblige. Why should someone pay tax to subsidise other peoples children, especially with no upper limit on the number. If people decide to have children then it's their responsibility to provide for them. OK, if someone with more than two are temporarily out of work or ill then I would agree for them to be supported through benefits until they can get back to work. In the past, especially after the war the country needed more children and most were hard up, that's why the subsidy was introduced, it's not like that now and there is no reason why hard working people have to limit their family size when the feckless can have as many as they want and sometimes only as a cash source.

You need to google that phrase, you're way of the mark with your answer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39652791

 

[ColchesterFC]

I am of an opinion that the two child rape clause is pretty indefensible by any caring human being.
Bedroom tax not far behind.

I would love to see someone on here debate otherwise.

There is no such thing as the "Bedroom Tax". Why should the tax payer be expected to pay extra rent for a couple with one child to live in a three bedroom house/flat when they clearly only need a two bedroom house/flat? And equally why should a couple with three children have to live in a two bed flat because there are no available three or four bed properties available for them?

Typical populism bandwagon jumping from the party in opposition (in this case Labour but could equally apply to Tory policy when they were the opposition) to brand it a tax. This is our money they're spending and I'm sure you'd be one of the first to criticise if the government were wasting it. So why is it acceptable in your eyes for them to waste money by paying extra housing benefit for someone to have a spare room?

 

[SocketRocket]

So not the manifesto you quoted before?

We're all intelligent people, the sad fact is we can't hold them accountable, look at the last lot of manifesto's, as they won the Tory is the only one that mattered within 100 days they'd broke at least 9 of their promises, now they've changed leader and called a GE therefore we've not had enough time to judge them,

Now we'll get new manifesto's

Maybe a bit naive, but to me the manifesto's should almost be legally binding, I can understand on change of Government from one party to another, the incoming party may not have all the facts, but a party re-elected has no excuses.

Have you ever ran a business. In business you need to make a business plan, both short and longer term. It would be folly to lock yourself into a plan that didnt allow you to revisit it on an annual basis and adjust it to meet changing circumstances.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Have you ever ran a business. In business you need to make a business plan, both short and longer term. It would be folly to lock yourself into a plan that didnt allow you to revisit it on an annual basis and adjust it to meet changing circumstances.

So you're reinforcing the manifesto's are worthless, 9 broken promises in the first 100 days, not 12 months!

 

[dewsweeper]

Well in that case they may as well not bother with any campaigns at all???

Not so.
I genuinely dislike TV debates ,as I do programmes like Question Time,seem to always end in chaos.
In this hi tech age I feel I can gather more information from political shows like Newsnight that have strong anchors.

 

[SocketRocket]

So you're reinforcing the manifesto's are worthless, 9 broken promises in the first 100 days, not 12 months!

Not at all. You need to make a plan, you cant just make it up as you go along. My point was that it is folly to lock yourself into a plan that you cannot modify if circumstances change. It is very difficult to understand exactly how major external forces can upset the best of strategies, these can be Political, Economic, Social or Technical. Cameron and Osborne locked the Government into unrealistic constraints IMO and May needs to break away from them so she has the flexibility to get on with Government and especially the Brexit negotiations.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not at all. You need to make a plan, you cant just make it up as you go along. My point was that it is folly to lock yourself into a plan that you cannot modify if circumstances change. It is very difficult to understand exactly how major external forces can upset the best of strategies, these can be Political, Economic, Social or Technical. Cameron and Osborne locked the Government into unrealistic constraints IMO and May needs to break away from them so she has the flexibility to get on with Government and especially the Brexit negotiations.

So Cameron's manifesto was worthless and now May who didn't support brexit needs a new manifesto to have flexibility during brexit negotiations. Cheers :thup: got it now.

 

[SocketRocket]

So Cameron's manifesto was worthless and now May who didn't support brexit needs a new manifesto to have flexibility during brexit negotiations. Cheers :thup: got it now.

Almost there. May supported the Cabinet line during the Referendum but IMO she has never been a Europhile. Cameron's manifesto was not completely worthless but contained some flaws that made parts of it too inflexible.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Almost there. May supported the Cabinet line during the Referendum but IMO she has never been a Europhile. Cameron's manifesto was not completely worthless but contained some flaws that made parts of it too inflexible.

But people still fell for it and voted him in and then have no recourse.
As for May's and everyone elses we can take with a pinch of salt anything planned over 12 months.

 

[SocketRocket]

You need to google that phrase, you're way of the mark with your answer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39652791

No I'm not. The issue is about stopping tax credits after two children for new claimants. This argument about a women having a third child after a rape is a very special case and not what the change is aimed at. I think any normal thinking person rather than gerrymandering opportunists like Sturgeon would understand that.

 

[SocketRocket]

But people still fell for it and voted him in and then have no recourse.
As for May's and everyone elses we can take with a pinch of salt anything planned over 12 months.

I dont believe there is any convincing you that May is anything else but devious and manipulative. If you wish to believe that then that's your prerogative but I find it very hard to believe you could at the same time not level the same accusations at the other Political leaders.