UK Population increase

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I fail to see how I can explain my answers again. I have explained now a number of times that it was the increase in births that was associated to Mothers born outside the Uk and they produced 26% of new births. I dont want to revisit this any more.

Fine - that's what I thought but it's not what you originally said.

Outside of these boards there are some having an issue with immigration (on the whole I don't) who would grab hold of that statement of yours if made in a newspaper - and ignore any clarifications such as those you have made. All I am saying is your statement taken out of context can be misconstrued - I do absolutely understand what you are actually saying. No probs.

 

[SocketRocket]

OK. I see that you did claim benefits.
I just found it strange that the anti-benefit king of the GM forum had , in fact, accepted benefits in the past.

If you prefer to discredit me without due consideration of the facts then I will accept you have an axe to grind and leave it at that.

 

[SocketRocket]

I started this thread to discuss the report made by the department for National Statistics on the increased birth rate for the UK in 2012. Some seem to prefer to make personal attacks rather than give reasoned discussion to a subject that is of great concern to many UK citizens. Why do people want to make personal affronts to others that have a different opinion, surely it is more grown up and practical to explain your own beliefs on the subject matter and leave others to read the views and gather their opinions. I do despair on the demise of reasoned debate in these enlightened times.

I admit I do have a tendency to view matters from a right wing perspective but surely this should not be a reason to have your views rubbished without fair discussion and debate.

 

[JustOne]

I don't see how 250,000 is going to make a difference, that's 5 million in the next 20yrs and 10 million in the next 40. So we'll have to build more flats.... big deal.

Are you worried about running out of space? food? money? what exactly is this 'problem' that you think will suddenly occur just because a few million more people live here?

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't see how 250,000 is going to make a difference, that's 5 million in the next 20yrs and 10 million in the next 40. So we'll have to build more flats.... big deal.

Are you worried about running out of space? food? money? what exactly is this 'problem' that you think will suddenly occur just because a few million more people live here?

The increase is exponential and will outstrip the numbers you predict on a linear basis, these increases are only the ones related to birthrate, if you add to them the numbers due to net immigration (the unmentionable) we have something to think about. Can you not see that an increase of 10 million people without suitable increases in housing, employment, health and social services will create increasing strain on demand for scarce resources that are already under pressure. We already have high levels of unemployment, poverty and government debt, this can only become more of a problem with increased population.

Interested in your view on how this will not be an issue?

 

[Iaing]

If you prefer to discredit me without due consideration of the facts then I will accept you have an axe to grind and leave it at that.

I take it that by "due consideration of the facts", you actually mean that it was ok for you to claim benefits, but not others?

 

[Foxholer]

I started this thread to discuss the report made by the department for National Statistics on the increased birth rate for the UK in 2012.

Birth Rate wasn't what these stats are about.

I believe the stats were for Number of Live Births (and Deaths).

Increase is only about 1% too, so hardly a 'boom' as reported. Previous increases have 800, 2000, 500 and 5000 so not exactly consistent. And at the rate of increase (<0.5%), 'Exponential Growth' pretty much equates to Linear Growth.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I take it that by "due consideration of the facts", you actually mean that it was ok for you to claim benefits, but not others?

Child Benefit being a universal benefit was paid to all and virtually impossible not to receive
I think this particular point has run it's course

With regard to the UK specifically, an increase of 10 million over the next 20 Years will of course have an impact on resources, infrastructure , jobs, etc we are already unable to grow the food we need to sustain our current population, therefore we need to be able to import from elsewhere.

The bigger problem is with world population increase
There will come a time when a tipping point is reached when there is not enough food to feed the world ( I would say that at the moment there is enough food globally, it's just not evenly spread around)

When this happens , food imports will be harder to find as countries that supply us are having to stop exporting to be able to feed their own, any surplus will go to the highest bidder, so food prices will skyrocket.

The UK as with every other country will go hungry , law abiding citizens will do what they need to do to feed their families
Society, law and order will break down, the great economies of the world will shatter, and it will be a battle to survive.

Nice thoughts? No it's a doomsday scenario but it is one that may well happen within the next 100 years

Do I have a solution? No I don't , apart from stopping medical treatment, one child per family worldwide, euthanasia ,
Uk specific measures could include , ban on immigration , deportation of foreign nationals, increased farming activity

I agree it's all pretty horrific stuff, but it is a real problem and it won't go away by arguing over who did and didn't claim child benefits

 

[Smiffy]

What exactly is this 'problem' that you think will suddenly occur just because a few million more people live here?

Just imagine that only 5% of them take up golf James.
How long is your round of golf going to take then??? Especially if only 0.000002% of them get below 10 handicap.
Bloody hell. That's a helluva lot of hackers hitting balls into the rough

 

[FairwayDodger]

Do I have a solution? No I don't , apart from stopping medical treatment, one child per family worldwide, euthanasia ,
Uk specific measures could include , ban on immigration , deportation of foreign nationals, increased farming activity

Soylent Green?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Soylent Green?

You might have to elaborate slightly Karen as I have no idea what you are on about

 

[FairwayDodger]

You might have to elaborate slightly Karen as I have no idea what you are on about

SPOILERS.....

It's people! Soylent Green is people......!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Aha, the wonders of Google, I can see where you are coming from now,
Yes very similar scenario

I've just gone off the mint cornetto I was munching on the beach in Skiathos

 

[Val]

813,200 babies were born in Britain between mid 2011 and mid 2012. Subtracting the number of people who died in the same period, the increase from births in the year was just over a quarter of a million - 254,400.

Quite a lot for one year, where are they going to live, be educated, receive health services and get jobs. It's not only this number that is a concern but the exponential increase. IMO it's not worth harping back to what happened in previous generations, we have to consider the reality of what the trend is now and how we manage this in the future. I am very interested in peoples opinons and ideas on how this will manifest.

Where they are going to live is the easier answer, right now there are over 100'000 new builds in England alone this year so that would pretty much take care of that. As for education and jobs, that is bit more difficult to answer but given no-one born this year is looking for a school or a job just yet there is a bit of time to play with.

You know as well as I do they'll be schooled no problem, there will not be many more kids starting school come 2017/18 as leaving, probably every class may get an extra pupil. The Government has addressed schooling issues already by building these so called super schools with over 1000 pupils.

 

[SocketRocket]

I take it that by "due consideration of the facts", you actually mean that it was ok for you to claim benefits, but not others?

I dont blame people for accepting benefits, why should they not accept what is on offer. My issue is with Government giving child benefits in times when the country doesn't need increases in population, there were periods in the past when the population was in decline and there were not enough people to fill jobs.

 

[SocketRocket]

Birth Rate wasn't what these stats are about.

I believe the stats were for Number of Live Births (and Deaths).

Increase is only about 1% too, so hardly a 'boom' as reported. Previous increases have 800, 2000, 500 and 5000 so not exactly consistent. And at the rate of increase (<0.5%), 'Exponential Growth' pretty much equates to Linear Growth.

I started the thread as UK Population Increase.

This link is to a report in the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/08/uk-population-growth-baby-boom

 

[SocketRocket]

Where they are going to live is the easier answer, right now there are over 100'000 new builds in England alone this year so that would pretty much take care of that. As for education and jobs, that is bit more difficult to answer but given no-one born this year is looking for a school or a job just yet there is a bit of time to play with.

You know as well as I do they'll be schooled no problem, there will not be many more kids starting school come 2017/18 as leaving, probably every class may get an extra pupil. The Government has addressed schooling issues already by building these so called super schools with over 1000 pupils.

The schools in my area are full to bursting, they have put up portacabins in the play grounds to accomodate the numbers. Most Councils already have huge waiting lists for social housing and visiting a GP is now taking much longer. It may well be different where you live due to the lower numbers per square mile but in England services are under real strain.

 

[Val]

The schools in my area are full to bursting, they have put up portacabins in the play grounds to accomodate the numbers. Most Councils already have huge waiting lists for social housing and visiting a GP is now taking much longer. It may well be different where you live due to the lower numbers per square mile but in England services are under real strain.

Most councils? Is that a thought or fact?

As above ref schools?

First I've heard of this, surely if it was that critical it would be all over the national news.

 

[SocketRocket]

Most councils? Is that a thought or fact?

As above ref schools?

First I've heard of this, surely if it was that critical it would be all over the national news.

There were 1.85 Million families on the waiting lists for social housing last year.

The National Audit Office have said there needs to be another 250,000 school places made available next year.

Please read this article from the Telegraph from 2010: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...s-crammed-into-overcrowded-state-schools.html

 

[Doon frae Troon]

All this is starting to make an independent Scotland a better looking prospect.
New school being built in my village at a cost of nearly £1m.
For 26 pupils.
The fabric of English schools was a disgrace 20 years ago, god knows what it is like now.