UK Population increase

I don't live in Fulham and I do get out often but overpopulation is still something that concerns me. Just because you village or other rural areas are currently ok it doesn't mean overpopulation isn't an issue.

It also doesn't just mean to many people its the effect the increase in the masses causes in strain to the environment, the economy and general health and healthcare around the globe as well as infrastructure issues.

The more we continue to multiply beyond the rates we are already doing so at the moment the sooner areas like yours will start becoming nothing more than the existing centre of newly built housing estates.

to often in this world we focus on the now when things are ok and forget about forward planning because it doesn't directly affect us. But this world isn't here just for us is for our children, grand children and their future offspring

But we can all live in denial because we'll be pushing up daisies before its a bigger issue. Maybe I do need to get a life but what the future holds for my future generations does concern me.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Re earlier post.

Do the people who are seriously worried about overpopulation not get out much or do they all live in Fulham.

The world is a huge place with by far the greatest land areas massively underpopulated.
Even living in one of the most populated countries in the world I could take you to places where you could drive for an hour and not see another car.
The Highlands of Scotland used to support a thriving population but someone invented cities, factories, and easy living so they became unpopulated.
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Your head seems to be embedded in the sand. We have never been able to produce enough food in the UK to feed our population, in the war when we had around 38 million people and were nearly starved into submission, even when golf courses were dug up for agriculture. Do you honestly believe that the answer is to move tens of millions of people to live in the Scottish Highlands with no work or means to support themselves. Maybe we could somehow change back to a bygone erra where most people were crofters and farm labourers and rode on horses, more peasants, workhouses and potato famines.

Come on , think about it! Who is going to finance the mass movements of people, do we make migration compulsory. 'Dear Sir, you and your family have been allocated half an acre of land in Perthshire, please vacate your council flat in Tower Hamlets by the end of next month and move in. We will supply some pine logs and turf to build a cabin, a spade and pick axe and a sack of seed potatoes.'
 
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Seems to be a lot of moaning on this thread about a problem (?) or biological consequence of humans being on the planet. I'm confused, is someone suggesting that now they have produced their progeny that others should be denied the opportunity? That child benefit should be stopped? - but I am happy to bet my right one that they claimed it.

This forum wouldn't be what it is without rampant hypocrisy.
 
stevie_r said:
Seems to be a lot of moaning on this thread about a problem (?) or biological consequence of humans being on the planet. I'm confused, is someone suggesting that now they have produced their progeny that others should be denied the opportunity? That child benefit should be stopped? - but I am happy to bet my right one that they claimed it.

This forum wouldn't be what it is without rampant hypocrisy.
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So rather than castigating others opinions what is yours. Do you have a solution to the increased UK population? Do you think it's not a problem and if so why?

I think your comments are exaggerating the points given, I guess you would agree that people are entitled to express a view on this subject. Child benefit may have been a good policy when the country needed increased birth rates, please explain why it is still a good policy in times when we no longer need it?

The Forum would not be what it is without rampant high ground seeking.
 
SocketRocket said:
So rather than castigating others opinions what is yours. Do you have a solution to the increased UK population? Do you think it's not a problem and if so why?

I think your comments are exaggerating the points given, I guess you would agree that people are entitled to express a view on this subject. Child benefit may have been a good policy when the country needed increased birth rates, please explain why it is still a good policy in times when we no longer need it?

The Forum would not be what it is without rampant high ground seeking.
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Ooooh, bit defensive, the world population will increase, as it always has since time began, it is a biological inevitability.
I'm guessing, although you avoided answering it, that you claimed child benefit (or whatever it was called at the time) despite Britain needing no inducement for you to reproduce. Child benefit should be means tested.
 
I am a single bloke with no children and will more than likely never have any, after a couple of relationships which failed a few years back I decided it was not for me and never looked back since. However just because it does not affect me nor is it ever likely to I do genuinely have concerns for future generations, for people to just bury their heads in the sand is a poor show IMO. The country is overpopulated and there has to come a point where some unpopular decisions have to be made as it cannot sustain it forever, such as child benefit, 1 child per family, reduce benefits etc
 
stevie_r said:
Ooooh, bit defensive, the world population will increase, as it always has since time began, it is a biological inevitability.
I'm guessing, although you avoided answering it, that you claimed child benefit (or whatever it was called at the time) despite Britain needing no inducement for you to reproduce. Child benefit should be means tested.
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So you accuse people of 'moaning' and 'hypocrisy' and are surprised if they are being defensive of their position. If you read the whole thread you will see that I explained there was a time when the country needed to encourage childbirth due to the size of the population and the employment levels. I also explained how this has now changed and I see no reason to now encourage an increased population, especially if you cannot afford to support the child yourself. If you disagree with this then why not give a reasoned explanation.
 
In_The_Rough said:
I am a single bloke with no children and will more than likely never have any, after a couple of relationships which failed a few years back I decided it was not for me and never looked back since. However just because it does not affect me nor is it ever likely to I do genuinely have concerns for future generations, for people to just bury their heads in the sand is a poor show IMO. The country is overpopulated and there has to come a point where some unpopular decisions have to be made as it cannot sustain it forever, such as child benefit, 1 child per family, reduce benefits etc
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Brilliant insight, reducing benefits will of course reduce, over time (it might take 3 - 5 years) the overall population.
It is ridiculous to expect that the population of the earth won't increase massively, as ridiculous believing having six billion people living on the planet won't have an adverse affect on it.

You are right of course, compulsory sterilisation for all
 
SocketRocket said:
So you accuse people of 'moaning' and 'hypocrisy' and are surprised if they are being defensive of their position. If you read the whole thread you will see that I explained there was a time when the country needed to encourage childbirth due to the size of the population and the employment levels. I also explained how this has now changed and I see no reason to now encourage an increased population, especially if you cannot afford to support the child yourself. If you disagree with this then why not give a reasoned explanation.
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Did you claim child benefit?
 
stevie_r said:
Brilliant insight, reducing benefits will of course reduce, over time (it might take 3 - 5 years) the overall population.
It is ridiculous to expect that the population of the earth won't increase massively, as ridiculous believing having six billion people living on the planet won't have an adverse affect on it.

You are right of course, compulsory sterilisation for all
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I offered a few options. All you seem to do on this topic is make snide remarks at everybody else's suggestions. Do you think this is an issue? I assume you do as you have got involved in this thread so therefore are you one of those that just criticises everyone else aND has no idea's of their own or have you actually got some idea's on the subject. I know the population will be increasing rapidly that is why I am suggesting a few things to sort it out. It is up to other countries to sort their problems out I am on about UK issues not anywhere else.
 
In_The_Rough said:
I offered a few options. All you seem to do on this topic is make snide remarks at everybody else's suggestions. Do you think this is an issue? I assume you do as you have got involved in this thread so therefore are you one of those that just criticises everyone else aND has no idea's of their own or have you actually got some idea's on the subject. I know the population will be increasing rapidly that is why I am suggesting a few things to sort it out. It is up to other countries to sort their problems out I am on about UK issues not anywhere else.
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Just to recap, your solutions to world overcrowding are?
 
stevie_r said:
Did you claim child benefit?
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Dont you read posts? I explained around three times that back in the 1970's the country needed people to have children, the growth rate was negative. Families received a payment known as the Family Allowance, the 5 shillings a week payment was given to parents only for their second and subsequent children, thus helping shore up the depleted population by encouraging more births. We received this payment for one child.
 
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In_The_Rough said:
Not got one. Thread is about UK population if you had not noticed
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Yes I had noticed, but it seemed to be turning more towards a benefits whine; but lets hear it, how do you intend controlling the UK population, let me guess; I'm betting it's a socket rocket let's not let immigrants breed type of idea.
 
SocketRocket said:
Dont you read posts? I explained around three times that back in the 1970's the country needed people to have children, the growth rate was negative. Families received a payment known as the Family Allowance, the 5 shillings a week payment was given to parents only for their second and subsequent children, thus helping shore up the depleted population by encouraging more births. We received this payment for one child.
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Wrong, paid for first and subsequents
 
stevie_r said:
Yes I had noticed, but it seemed to be turning more towards a benefits whine; but lets hear it, how do you intend controlling the UK population, let me guess; I'm betting it's a socket rocket let's not let immigrants breed type of idea.
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Come on then! Where did I say that? I have not blamed immigrants and I challenge you to show the post where I have.

Again!! Try reading posts rather than applying your blinkered view of what you imagine to be said.
 
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stevie_r said:
Yes I had noticed, but it seemed to be turning more towards a benefits whine; but lets hear it, how do you intend controlling the UK population, let me guess; I'm betting it's a socket rocket let's not let immigrants breed type of idea.
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1 child per family for a start don't give a toss where they are born/originate from or race/religion Black/White/Asian whatever 1 child per family. Also yes your right child benefits are part of it. Mick Philpott for example who shock horror is White and born and bread here in the uk and claimed money for the 13 children I think it was that he fathered, if money had not been available for all those I suspect he might have thought twice about his lack of protection. Until the death rate is higher than the birth rate population will keep on increasing will it not? Yes perhaps stop child benefits to all. Also again yes immigration is an issue which again everyone MP's included do not seem to like to talk about but the fact is we cannot sustain the amount of people on these shores. Again I ask you with regards to UK issues what are you your idea's or do you not think it is an issue?
 
stevie_r said:
Wrong, paid for first and subsequents
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No! your wrong. In the first half 1970's it was not paid for the first child. It was reinvented in the later 1970's as Child Benefit and paid for the first child.

Please check and apologise if wrong!
 
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