UK Population increase

murphthemog said:
China are looking at doing away with the one child per family. They need a bigger population of workers to pay for pensions etc, just like every where else.

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So how will that work if head numbers outstrip the employment availability? Surely you just end up with either poverty or having to take more money from those earning to pay for social benefits.
 
SocketRocket said:
I started this post because there was a report released by the Department for National Statistics this week which was widley publicised in the press and television news. I thought it worthy of debate like most of the threads in this section of the Forum. Is that not what the section is for?
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absolutely :thup:

Bob's question is a good one. What do you/we suggest ? the only practical solution is tighter border control and that is a real pandoras box ....good luck :thup:

did your report indicate which section of society showed the greatest increase ?
 
SocketRocket said:
Bob. I am not sure if I should ignore your comment or make a sensible answer.

If you wanted an answer then it has to be that I dont have the power to do anything much about the increased population in the UK, thats why we have politicians to manage such matters.

If you are just being sarcastic then it's not worth commenting.
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It was a serious question.
If you have no power to do anything about it, why concern yourself with it?
I also have no control with what happens in China so why concern yourself with it?

I understand if you have children and grand children then you may have an interest in what they will face in the future but isn't it a bit hypocritical to question how many people have how many children when you have contributed to the problem yourself?

thats why we have politicians to manage such matters.
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Do you really think politicians are going to be able to control who has how many children in Britain, they're too busy looking for their next expenses 'perk'
 
SocketRocket said:
By the time they pay tax you will not be drawing a pension :) They will all be consuming your tax though.
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By the time they are paying tax and contributing to my pension pot I won't be paying any tax. Don't see any problems once those that don't like immigrants or don't like housing built in their own back yard get their heads around it. That said, getting on for half million does seem quite a lot. But as our population increases so does the number of those popping their clogs as newbies pop into the word. BTW - IMO our own poor governance of services and 'benefits' is not a valid argument against immigration.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
By the time they are paying tax and contributing to my pension pot I won't be paying any tax. Don't see any problems once those that don't like immigrants or don't like housing built in their own back yard get their heads around it. That said, getting on for half million does seem quite a lot. But as our population increases so does the number of those popping their clogs as newbies pop into the word. BTW - IMO our own poor governance of services and 'benefits' is not a valid argument against immigration.
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SWH. I didnt mention Immigration although it did

The number of Births vastly outnumber the amount of births by the way andit did say that most births were to women not born in the UK.
 
SocketRocket said:
SWH. I didnt mention Immigration although it did

The number of Births vastly outnumber the amount of births by the way andit did say that most births were to women not born in the UK.
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I know you didn't - but it is there. 1 in 4 births to foreign-born mothers last year compared with 1 in 6 ten years ago. I suspect the immigration scaremongers would like us to believe it was something like 1 in 2 compared with 1 in 20.

btw - my 1 in 4 births to foreign-born mothers was from the Independant newspaper - where was your most births were to women not born in the UK. from (newspaper, on-line, TV/radio channel).

Genuinely interested as these two statistics sound to be about the same thing - but the stats are quite different. So either someone is wrong or there is a difference between foreign-born mothers and women not born in the UK
 
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So nobody has read the new Dan Browne book Inferno then
As this is the central theme, over populated world, so a mad bloke tries to kill us all off with a biohazard virus

But it is a fact that the population is growing exponentially and unless we find new ways to produce water, food, jobs etc there will be billions starving in years to come
 
PhilTheFragger said:
So nobody has read the new Dan Browne book Inferno then
As this is the central theme, over populated world, so a mad bloke tries to kill us all off with a biohazard virus

But it is a fact that the population is growing exponentially and unless we find new ways to produce water, food, jobs etc there will be billions starving in years to come
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Exactly what I was going to post - :)

The book gives a good insight into the population increase issue. If I remember there are even cases in nature where the population increase has led to the collapse of colonies.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I know you didn't - but it is there. 1 in 4 births to foreign-born mothers last year compared with 1 in 6 ten years ago. I suspect the immigration scaremongers would like us to believe it was something like 1 in 2 compared with 1 in 20.

btw - my 1 in 4 births to foreign-born mothers was from the Independant newspaper - where was your most births were to women not born in the UK. from (newspaper, on-line, TV/radio channel).

Genuinely interested as these two statistics sound to be about the same thing - but the stats are quite different. So either someone is wrong or there is a difference between foreign-born mothers and women not born in the UK
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I think it meant that most of the increase qas due to mothers born outside the UK.

Cut from a report in Channel 4 News.

'Migration in the early 2000s has had impact on the birth rate, the ONS says, with 26 percent of all live births in England and Wales in the period to women born outside the UK.'
 
bobmac said:
It was a serious question.
If you have no power to do anything about it, why concern yourself with it?
I also have no control with what happens in China so why concern yourself with it?

I understand if you have children and grand children then you may have an interest in what they will face in the future but isn't it a bit hypocritical to question how many people have how many children when you have contributed to the problem yourself?



Do you really think politicians are going to be able to control who has how many children in Britain, they're too busy looking for their next expenses 'perk'
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Bob. My children were born in a period when the British population was around 56 million and there was full employment. I have one Grandson in the UK, not exactly creating the problem is it?
 
Slicer30 said:
Exactly what I was going to post - :)

The book gives a good insight into the population increase issue. If I remember there are even cases in nature where the population increase has led to the collapse of colonies.
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Can we decide which colony/colonies? If so can we include former colonies? (Mashed Potatoes!)
 
bobmac said:
It was a serious question.
If you have no power to do anything about it, why concern yourself with it?
I also have no control with what happens in China so why concern yourself with it?

Do you really think politicians are going to be able to control who has how many children in Britain, they're too busy looking for their next expenses 'perk'
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Bob: Continued.

Its naieve to say that if you dont control something you should not be concerned with it. I cant stop people abusing children or animals, or mugging OAP's, but I am concerned about it.

Where did I say I was concerned about China?

Politicians should stop giving perks to people that encourage them to have more children. If we decide to have them then it's our responsibility to pay for them.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Bob: Continued.

Its naieve to say that if you dont control something you should not be concerned with it. I cant stop people abusing children or animals, or mugging OAP's, but I am concerned about it.

Where did I say I was concerned about China?

Politicians should stop giving perks to people that encourage them to have more children. If we decide to have them then it's our responsibility to pay for them.
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Completely agree with this, just because something is out of our control doesn't mean it should concern us.

I haven't read the new Dan Brown one yet but may pick it up tonight now I know what it's about.

Overpopulation is a massive issue not just for our country but the world over and its good to see topics like this discussed on here without to much dumbing down and belittling of it.
 
Re earlier post.

Do the people who are seriously worried about overpopulation not get out much or do they all live in Fulham.

The world is a huge place with by far the greatest land areas massively underpopulated.
Even living in one of the most populated countries in the world I could take you to places where you could drive for an hour and not see another car.
The Highlands of Scotland used to support a thriving population but someone invented cities, factories, and easy living so they became unpopulated.
 
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