Twenty Twenty - is it all that?

[HomerJSimpson]

If you start going down the franchise route it'll be the death knell for many counties who rely heavily on the T20 income to supplement their income for the year especially when county matches are attended by members and a few hundred (at best) cricket lovers if the weather is half decent. Those without a test venue or a team that progress in the one day comps are always struggling. No way the ECB will let counties go to the wall

 

[Deleted member 18588]

If you start going down the franchise route it'll be the death knell for many counties who rely heavily on the T20 income to supplement their income for the year especially when county matches are attended by members and a few hundred (at best) cricket lovers if the weather is half decent. Those without a test venue or a team that progress in the one day comps are always struggling. No way the ECB will let counties go to the wall

I suggest you study the current finances of the counties.

T20 attendances have fallen since the early days and TV viewing is failing. The franchise system would be used to generate income for the game in general. This is what happens with The Big Bash in Australia.

A tournament played over a shortened period by a reduced number of teams would be more likely to capture and maintain the interest of the public (both those that are already followers of the game and others) compared with the present protracted, dull format.

Continue with the current set-up and both T20 in this country and, ultimately, county cricket will die.

 

[fundy]

I suggest you study the current finances of the counties.

T20 attendances have fallen since the early days and TV viewing is failing. The franchise system would be used to generate income for the game in general. This is what happens with The Big Bash in Australia.

A tournament played over a shortened period by a reduced number of teams would be more likely to capture and maintain the interest of the public (both those that are already followers of the game and others) compared with the present protracted, dull format.

Continue with the current set-up and both T20 in this country and, ultimately, county cricket will die.

Great theory, the big bash is as yet to make a profit still though!

 

[FairwayDodger]

Great theory, the big bash is as yet to make a profit still though!

Really? Wow, that surprises me because I've watched a lot of it and the crowds have been great. Must be paying the players too much! Lots of kids going and seemingly loving it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Cricket Australia have put about 40mil dollars into the BB and the expect the profit to come in after this years event with all the teams now having a major sponser and the telly deal of 100mil dollars

Also counties starting to think the franchise might be the way to go

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cr...-Big-Bash-style-T20-franchise-tournament.html

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Great theory, the big bash is as yet to make a profit still though!

This is its fourth year and I believe the organisers are anticipating a profit this year based upon attendances and increasing viewing figures throughout the cricketing world.

Personally I am a traditionalist in that I love the long form of the game, be it Tests or County Championship, but I recognise the need for the game to face up to change if it is to survive.

When it was first introduced here T20 captured the public's imagination but now people recognise that the competition has become two drawn out. This means that compared with the IPL or the Big Bash it lacks the excitement that goes with having the world's best players taking part.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The problem is the ECB are as entrenched as the FA and I really can't see them breaking up the existing county set up especially as the Big Bash isn't a profitable business model as yet.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The problem is the ECB are as entrenched as the FA and I really can't see them breaking up the existing county set up especially as the Big Bash isn't a profitable business model as yet.

The big difference between the two bodies is that the ECB is directly involved with the game at the top level in a way that the FA is not due to the influence and power of the Premier League.

This being the case the ECB are nowhere near the level of ineptitude of the FA.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

20-20 brings in money but blimey it is absolutely forgettable. It is real fast food stuff. Good at the time, 5 minutes later gone from the memory. As long as it keeps money coming into the game though it serves its purpose.

 

[Tongo]

20-20 brings in money but blimey it is absolutely forgettable. It is real fast food stuff. Good at the time, 5 minutes later gone from the memory. As long as it keeps money coming into the game though it serves its purpose.

Spot on. It is little more than a cash cow.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

20-20 brings in money but blimey it is absolutely forgettable. It is real fast food stuff. Good at the time, 5 minutes later gone from the memory. As long as it keeps money coming into the game though it serves its purpose.

Guess will depend on how much interest a person has in the match

Being a Somerset fan I have been to a few finals day - loved them and still remember the day out in 05 when we won then 2009 and 2010 when we lost - especially 2010 as it was a brilliant final

 

[Deleted member 15344]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/31635888

This would be a great idea

8 teams ?

Bristol/Taunton
Cardiff
London
Manchester
Leeds
Southampton
Birmingham
Nottingham

Or if ten

An extra one in London and Leicester ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/31635888

This would be a great idea

8 teams ?

Bristol/Taunton
Cardiff
London
Manchester
Leeds
Southampton
Birmingham
Nottingham

Or if ten

An extra one in London and Leicester ?

Ten teams playing at the International grounds so, sorry Phil, that rules out Taunton (both the ground and the town far too small) but would include Durham and two London based teams.

Leicester is also too small a ground and the support is lacking despite the county's success in the early days of T20.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Doesn't have to be international grounds

It's about the counties and grounds that have embraced the T20 over the years Taunton and Somerset is one of those counties who would join with Gloucester

 

[Tongo]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/31635888

This would be a great idea

8 teams ?

Bristol/Taunton
Cardiff
London
Manchester
Leeds
Southampton
Birmingham
Nottingham

Or if ten

An extra one in London and Leicester ?

The whole franchises scenario will only work if the England internationals play and some of the best T20 talent from around the globe are signed up.

It'll be a dead duck if its just substandard fare.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The whole franchises scenario will only work if the England internationals play and some of the best T20 talent from around the globe are signed up.

It'll be a dead duck if its just substandard fare.

That's why it needs to be franchised to allow people to pay the top players - auction style

The issue is there could be a number of county players who wouldn't play

 

[Tongo]

That's why it needs to be franchised to allow people to pay the top players - auction style

The issue is there could be a number of county players who wouldn't play

If the ECB really want this to be a goer they need to sit down and make a list of the overseas players they would like to see in the comp. So the likes of Gayle, McCullum, Warner, Steyn, Dhoni, Kohli etc.

Getting some of these will be easier than others. But they need to be proactive as people wont travel great distances to see middle of the road equivalents.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If the ECB really want this to be a goer they need to sit down and make a list of the overseas players they would like to see in the comp. So the likes of Gayle, McCullum, Warner, Steyn, Dhoni, Kohli etc.

Getting some of these will be easier than others. But they need to be proactive as people wont travel great distances to see middle of the road equivalents.

It will follow the IPL and Big Bash model - players put themselves into an auction and teams will pick them and pay money for them.

It will Prob take a year to get going just like the Big Bash did

 

[Tongo]

It will follow the IPL and Big Bash model - players put themselves into an auction and teams will pick them and pay money for them.

It will Prob take a year to get going just like the Big Bash did

Indeed. Although the EPL will have the advantage over the BB in that there wont be much international cricket played elsewhere so they should be able to tempt some of the top calibre performers.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Doesn't have to be international grounds

It's about the counties and grounds that have embraced the T20 over the years Taunton and Somerset is one of those counties who would join with Gloucester

Franchises are nothing to do with counties and county identities.

It needs to be a new style and the fact that Trent Bridge is the home of Notts or Headingley is Yorks is coincidental. Franchises would be "representing" major cities and conurbations i.e. where the potential market is not quaint old fashioned county cricket.

The Big Bash is all about city based franchises rather than States.

Anything else is just a re-hash of what we already have and that isn't working.