Thorbjorn Oleson putting incident

[Spuddy]

Absolutely correct, and, by calling the referee and getting a decision there is no comeback on the players for coming to a wrong ruling. I saw it live and it absolutely looked like a deliberate attempt to knock it in whist still seething after the miss.

It's an odd one, he looks like he was addressing the ball but there was no back swing however there is a small follow through. I'm assuming that was an automatic reaction to accidentally striking the ball. His reaction straight away looked like it was accidental and straight away he looked at Larrazabal and then over to the official. Either way, his shot count for the hole was the same.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I prefer to take the person at his word and believe what he is saying than making a judgement.

Golf IMO is a sport of trust , honesty and integrity - so if Thorbjorn says he was taking a practise then I believe him

 

[doublebogey7]

I think I agree, I've watch it over a few times and can't for the life of me see how that was accidental. Granted, it looks nothing like his normal putting stroke but how many times do we see players knock in short putts without taking a stance or practice swing.

EDIT: I just watched it again, there is no way that was accidental, he was trying to knock it in, absolutely no question as far as I can see. He may not take is normal stance but he definitely places his feet as though he is intending to knock it in.

But why would he claim it was not a stroke when the effect on his score is the same either way.

 

[chrisd]

I prefer to take the person at his word and believe what he is saying than making a judgement.

Golf IMO is a sport of trust , honesty and integrity - so if Thorbjorn says he was taking a practise then I believe him

I don't disagree and certainly wasn't alleging cheating in any way. I just commented on what I saw live and how it looked to me.

 

[The Commoner]

I reckon he asked for a ruling on the off chance that he could replace it without a penalty stroke. Should've taken his medicine and got on with it, then got the driver out on the next tee and bashed the 'granny' out of it!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

But why would he claim it was not a stroke when the effect on his score is the same either way.

That I don't know, but it looks to me like he was clearly intending to knock that in.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That I don't know, but it looks to me like he was clearly intending to knock that in.

So do you believe him when he says he wasn't intending to knock it in

 

[bladeplayer]

So do you believe him when he says he wasn't intending to knock it in

I also think he was trying to hole out ... BUT

You have to take his word for it , As it didnt make any difference to the score its no big deal ..

to casually link threads, do you believe Simon Dyson ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You have to take his word for it , As it didnt make any difference to the score its no big deal ..

to casually link threads do you believe Simon Dyson ?

Yes I do believe them both - as I said earlier I believe golf is based on trust. That maybe a bit naive but we need one sport to keep integrity intact

 

[bladeplayer]

Yes I do believe them both - as I said earlier I believe golf is based on trust. That maybe a bit naive but we need one sport to keep integrity intact

I like your belief and would be of the same thought myself that golf is or at least should be based on truth & trust ..

For the record i think SD knew what he did (my opinion only totaly independant of the magazine or forum owners)
& i think this boy tried to knock it in casually & missed , but if they say differently they should be believed

 

[rulefan]

For the record i think SD knew what he did (my opinion only totaly independant of the magazine or forum owners)
& i think this boy tried to knock it in casually & missed , but if they say differently they should be believed

Seemingly he said it wasn't a stroke because the referee had him replace the ball. You say it was a stroke (albeit played casually)

So where do you actually stand? Do you believe him?

 

[bladeplayer]

Seemingly he said it wasn't a stroke because the referee had him replace the ball. You say it was a stroke (albeit played casually)

So where do you actually stand? Do you believe him?

If you showed me the video without the players comments , i would say he was definatley playing a shot in my opinion ..

Do i believe him ?... can i give you a politicians answer ... If the player says it was not a stroke then i will take his word for it as i believe he is the only person that can truly know , and that is how golf should be ..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bottled it with the politicians answer

 

[bladeplayer]

Bottled it with the politicians answer

Totally , guilty as charged ....M'Lord But i think you can guess my answer

 

[Old Skier]

Totally , guilty as charged ....M'Lord But i think you can guess my answer

We have seen many top players in all sports tending to have the attitude that if the ref/umpire says its good then it's good. Just look at the attitudes of Broad in cricket, Woods in golf and that's without pulling up a load of professional footballers. All that's going to happen is it will spread into the amateur world of sport.

Some people will defend that attitude and others will deplore it. It's up to each individual as to how they wish to deal with it.

 

[Colin L]

But why would he claim it was not a stroke when the effect on his score is the same either way.

Do we know that he "claimed" it was not a stroke? Perhaps he called a referee because he wasn't sure if what he had done was a stroke or not. And that did matter in terms of knowing where to play his next shot from. If he had got it wrong he would have incurred 2 penalty strokes not 1.

 

[rulefan]

There is too much speculation here. No one knows who said what to whom. We cannot rely on tv pictures and a commentator.

 

[Crow]

Here's my speculation.

It doesn't look like a practice stroke and nor does it look like a rushed stroke.

To me it looks as though he was bringing his putter in behind the ball in preparation to play his next putt and the putter had more momentum than he wanted and swung into the back of the ball, therefore, not a stroke and he was correct to proceed as he did.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Here's my speculation.

It doesn't look like a practice stroke and nor does it look like a rushed stroke.

To me it looks as though he was bringing his putter in behind the ball in preparation to play his next putt and the putter had more momentum than he wanted and swung into the back of the ball, therefore, not a stroke and he was correct to proceed as he did.

And I would agree with that speculation

 

[CMAC]

My point was that if the referee was not there to see the incident, his ruling would be based on what the player said he did.

correct, not sure I see what point you are trying to make?