D
Deleted member 18588
Guest
Oh it can get funnier!
Someone who proudly boasts that he has never had a lesson recommending a teaching pro'.
Them and us
- Thread starter shivas irons
- Start date
Oh it can get funnier!
Someone who proudly boasts that he has never had a lesson recommending a teaching pro'.
To be honest Phil if you beat these coaches they cant be very good at golf at all can they,are they scratch pro's? & whats your HC?
Just saying I have used and would continue to use a natural talent to the gimmick meisters,theres plenty of proven players out there willing to give us lesser players a lesson.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
I'm not sure that Butch Harmon's playing record is much to write home about but he was good enough to help Tiger Woods & Greg Norman.
I don't think Stan Utley's record was much better but he is one of the games most respected short game coaches.
Dave Pelz probably has the worst record of the 3 as a player but is also very highly regarded as a short game coach.
In football Sir Alex Ferguson & Jose Mourinho barely won anything between them as players, but you can't get two better records as coaches in the modern game.
Why exactly does it matter how well a coach can play the game?
Because i'm not claiming to be a good player like some pro's do.
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Where in that post am i "recommending" a teaching pro ?
Me not having lessons doesn't make what I said any less relevant - your a mid handicapper belittling the coaching ability of a PGA Pro - im sure you have had lessons from them to confirm that they can't teach ?
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
THese coaches don't get the time to actually play the game or practise - they are too busy coaching.
Who are these "proven players will to give lessons" - I expect if they have time to give lessons they aren't that successful on the tour as they wouldn't have time.
A golf coaches playing ability should not be used to judge how well the can teach and it's extremely insulting what's being said on here
Can you confirm how Hank Haney is as a player ? What about Sean Foley ? Simon Holmes ? Claude Harmon - all use gimmicks or gadgets and suspect not the best players
Who exactly are you claiming to be a good player and in your mind isn't. Bear in mind you have to get to a certain level and prove your playing ability in order to turn pro in the first place
D
Deleted member 18588
Guest
That is the point of their vlogs and magazine articles.
Some will be impressed by those and follow them, maybe even take lessons from them in person.
Others, like myself, will look at those and decide that their methods and ideas do not represent good teaching and will decide not to follow or take lessons.
Alex1975
Tour Winner
What has teaching got to do with playing?
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
You may not connect with their teaching methods ( despite not having a lesson ) but that doesn't mean you say they " can't teach"
as you said in the post where you belittled and insulted any qualified PGA pro who used you tube
How can you come to that conclusion. What they offer on screen on a youtube video is designed to get an idea over to the masses. It's not a one fix sorts all and I@m sure were you to go to a lesson they'd tailor their approach to your needs. That is what good coaches do
First thing is you didnt answer my last post to you and secondly theres nothing insulting being said here.Its simply a fact that a lot of PGA teaching pro's are not great golfers some are but a lot are not,i'm not saying anyone in particular but like I say a lot do not play on course golf very well.
Its also my choice to say this and chose for myself a golf teacher who has got a proven course playing record.
Like I said before theres plenty of these guys out there who will give you the raw fundamentals of how to hit a golf ball and do it bloody well without the gadgets.
Nuff said......
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
I play off four and the reason why score better than a number of these PGA coaches is because I play regularly - they don't
You actually called the PGA coaches "crap golfers" - you also suggested that people that use "gimmicks" appear to be some what of a less coach than some who doesn't - can you confirm what you mean by "gimmicks" - I expect every single top coach in the world of golf has a launch monitor - every single tour player will use a launch monitor at some stage as a tool to help them improve
Also please clarify "proven course playing record" ? - if they are so proven why are they not still playing ?
Does it make a difference to their abilities as a coach and if it does can you explain why some of the top coaches don't have proven playing records
D
Deleted member 18588
Guest
You don't get it do you.
These guys use YouTube to promote their services and some buy into that whilst others don't. All about opinions, when I say they can't teach that means that their vlogs etc; have not convinced me that their methods work.
If others feel differently that's fine but personally I am more likely to use a pro who I feel offers more substance and less style.
If it is unfair to judge their methods on this basis perhaps they should stop their online activities but that would, in my opinion, be unfair to those that are happy to follow them.
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Just to help you this is what you said
"To paraphrase an old adage:- "those that really can just get on and do it, those that can't teach and those that can't teach become vloggers."
Basically you have said in that statement that people who use you tube or vlogs can't teach golf - both insulting and belittling , that's not just voicing an opinion , its insulting guys who have "qualified as a PGA coaches" ( so they have shown to qualified assesors that they can teach ) - maybe they need to be assessed by mid handicappers like yourself instead as it seems you believe you are better to decide if they can teach or not
I've only ever watched them all. Haven't had any lessons so I can't confirm how good or bad they are. And bef Re I'm asked, I'm certainly not going to go and look through years of records to prove myself.
But, they're now regularly featured as top 25 coaches. Is there a mass of rave reviews of them out there? Or is it simply that they are now "internet famous" and fashionable to have an association with.
But, they're now regularly featured as top 25 coaches. Is there a mass of rave reviews of them out there? Or is it simply that they are now "internet famous" and fashionable to have an association with.
I think GM have some guidelines in place to decide which top 25 coaches they have every year and many do very little online content other than the stuff they are asked to do by GM. It certainly doesn't come down solely to being internet famous or fashionable
D
Deleted member 18588
Guest
Well as I have had lessons in the past I am certainly better qualified to comment than you.
Ultimately we can, all of us, only decide if a teacher is any good by judging whether we would personally gain any benefit from that pro's ideas and methods.
And maybe they should be assessed by mid-handicappers, after all they represent the bulk of their market.
Last edited by a moderator:
I wasn't just aiming at Gm. So you don't need to ride to their rescue!
i was simply asking if anyone knew if they if it had helped. For the record, if it has, I'm nit saying it's a bad thing. It's all bringing the game to the masses, which is good.
Id just have thought that most top coaches would be established, much like the top courses. With the odd few changes now and again. So was curious if they were top 25 before YouTube.
for the record I have used quite a few pointers from Peter Finch. Less so for rick.
bobmac
Major Champion
I use Youtube and a V-Easy which you could say is a gadget, does that mean I can't teach?
Similar threads
- Deleted member 21445
- The Lounge
