The world's gone mad!

[richart]

I know a black person who finds it offensive still to see people "black" up. But he understands that when it happens in this occasion he can see that person is intending to cause any offence

I understand being offended by 'blacking up' for the sake of it. To me though this is someone imitating a black actress playing a role in a film. I would imagine like a lot of people, the women in question is a Whoopie Goldberg fan, or at least a fan of the film. Nothing sinister, except perhaps in the minds of people that are looking for something that is not there.

Love to know what Whoopie Goldberg thinks of this. Hopefully someone will ask her.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I understand being offended by 'blacking up' for the sake of it. To me though this is someone imitating a black actress playing a role in a film. I would imagine like a lot of people, the women in question is a Whoopie Goldberg fan, or at least a fan of the film. Nothing sinister, except perhaps in the minds of people that are looking for something that is not there.

Love to know what Whoopie Goldberg thinks of this. Hopefully someone will ask her.

I have no doubt that the young lady meant no offence and nothing sinister at all but I'm can't ever question or judge my friend if he finds it offensive and I can understand that

 

[freddielong]

I would go as far as to say your friend is being to sensitive and has no reason to be offended

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I would go as far as to say your friend is being to sensitive and has no reason to be offended

Without being presumptuous - what colour is your skin ? If it's white then I'm not sure you or even myself are in any position to judge about what he feels to be offended unless we have walked in his shoes for a day because I can guarantee he has witnessed racist behaviour towards the colour of his skin on a weekly basis and still does now. So maybe he has a reason to be offended and maybe we won't understand that

 

[Slime]

I believe you have missed the point very clearly. No one has suggested she has offended anyone.

That IS my whole point, hence starting this thread with the title that I did.


Slime.

P.S. Welcome back Phil, genuinely :thup:.

 

[ColchesterFC]

And surely it would be better that if it was a black character then get a black actor. Or a white character then get a white actor. Why should anyone have to change the colour of their skin?

But wouldn't that in itself be inherently racist to choose someone for a role based on the colour of their skin rather than choosing the best actor for the job?

 

[richart]

I have no doubt that the young lady meant no offence and nothing sinister at all but I'm can't ever question or judge my friend if he finds it offensive and I can understand that

I agree, although I have a black mate I have known for 30 years that has taken no offence. He also thinks it trivialises racism, and detracts from the real problem of racists that he meets on a regular basis. Blacks and whites should be coming together, and this sort of outcry seems to me to be pushing them further apart. Yes individuals may be offended, but I think we need to look at the bigger picture.

Small fines for football clubs in Europe, that have blatant racist fans does not help. To me that is the bigger picture.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree, although I have a black mate I have known for 30 years that has taken no offence. He also thinks it trivialises racism, and detracts from the real problem of racists that he meets on a regular basis. Blacks and whites should be coming together, and this sort of outcry seems to me to be pushing them further apart. Yes individuals may be offended, but I think we need to look at the bigger picture.

Small fines for football clubs in Europe, that have blatant racist fans does not help. To me that is the bigger picture.

Totally agree 100% mate

Agree that the outcry is wrong and overboard

The UEFA/FIFA fines are a disgusting disgrace that boils my blood.

But on this incident I'm just aware that some people could find it offensive and am just aware of that when I do or say things

 

[richart]

Totally agree 100% mate

Agree that the outcry is wrong and overboard

The UEFA/FIFA fines are a disgusting disgrace that boils my blood.

But on this incident I'm just aware that some people could find it offensive and am just aware of that when I do or say things

Fair point.

I think this thread shows that the majority have strong anti racist views, it is just where you draw the line that is open to conjecture.

I remember going to Reading matches in the 80's, when supporters would shout racist remarks at the oppositions black players, but chant the name in support of our black players.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fair point.

I think this thread shows that the majority have strong anti racist views, it is just where you draw the line that is open to conjecture.

I remember going to Reading matches in the 80's, when supporters would shout racist remarks at the oppositions black players, but chant the name in support of our black players.

That line will always be open to conjecture mate

It's hard to judge hence why I believe it's safer not too . I always think that's it's impossible to understand how it feels to be racially abused as never been on the end of it but have witnessed it and still do and it disgusts me.

 

[Hacker Khan]

But wouldn't that in itself be inherently racist to choose someone for a role based on the colour of their skin rather than choosing the best actor for the job?

It is racist in the same way it is sexist to chose a woman to play a female role and a man to play a male role. Instead of getting Daniel Day Lewis to put a dress on and scream 'I'm a lady' for any female roles.

 

[freddielong]

Without being presumptuous - what colour is your skin ? If it's white then I'm not sure you or even myself are in any position to judge about what he feels to be offended unless we have walked in his shoes for a day because I can guarantee he has witnessed racist behaviour towards the colour of his skin on a weekly basis and still does now. So maybe he has a reason to be offended and maybe we won't understand that

I am now offended you are treating your friend differently due to the colour of his skin which is racist

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am now offended you are treating your friend differently due to the colour of his skin which is racist

Excuse me ?

Would prefer if you removed or retracted that comment please - especially referring to racist behaviour

My friend gets treated like my friend - the colour of his skin has nothing to do with how I treat him

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am now offended you are treating your friend differently due to the colour of his skin which is racist

Mods

Can I have this post suggesting racist behaviour removed please

Thank you

 

[freddielong]

Excuse me ?

Would prefer if you removed or retracted that comment please - especially referring to racist behaviour

My friend gets treated like my friend - the colour of his skin has nothing to do with how I treat him

I was just pointing out that you made an assumption of my skin colour and then said your friend was entitled to a different view purely down to his skin colour which is also racism

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was just pointing out that you made an assumption of my skin colour and then said your friend was entitled to a different view purely down to his skin colour which is also racism

Sorry I'm not interested and have made posted feelings about your comment

 

[Foxholer]

I was just pointing out that you made an assumption of my skin colour and then said your friend was entitled to a different view purely down to his skin colour which is also racism

Not in my book it isn't!

racism

noun
1.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
"theories of racism"

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I can see that the Fochabers WRI may now have problems with Aladin as there Christmas Show

 

[freddielong]

Mods

Can I have this post suggesting racist behaviour removed please

Thank you

I in no way think or meant to imply that you were or are in anyway racist I was showing how easy it is to take offence

 

[louise_a]

I always find it very interesting reading people views on topics like this. Whilst not comparing it to the things that black people have suffered in the past. I do belong to a minority that is still abused in public or worse, many of us have been assaulted, driven to suicide and even murdered. Also we get joked about and ridiculed a lot, personally the jokes don't bother me but I know a lot of people who get offended at the least perceived slight.

The point I am making is that people should consider the possibility of someone taking offence when dealing with sensitive subjects and if there is doubt the don't. Some might not take offence but there are others who may.