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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

drdel said:
I didn't see the same thing. IMO the UK is better off with a PM who concentrates on collegiate Cabinet responsibilities and expects the delegated relevant ministers to do their jobs.

Any PM visit would be criticised (probably by yourself) for having been a staged PR pantomime, visiting the wrong place and disrupting emergency services etc, etc. Such visits achieve nothing practical in reality.
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Which is what Javid said about the new Chancellor - he should be allowed to get on with his job 'without fear or favour' - as clearly he himself was not able to do...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Which is what Javid said about the new Chancellor - he should be allowed to get on with his job 'without fear or favour' - as clearly he himself was not able to do...
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No one in Government should be getting on with their job without fear or favour. None of them are free agents to carry out their own personal policies, collective responsibility is the way a cabinet should operate and any of them wanting to do otherwise should be disciplined. Just like any executive position in business.
 
SocketRocket said:
No one in Government should be getting on with their job without fear or favour. None of them are free agents to carry out their own personal policies, collective responsibility is the way a cabinet should operate and any of them wanting to do otherwise should be disciplined. Just like any executive position in business.
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Hmmm there's along and sorry history of disasters when leadership cultivates a culture where 'bad news' doesn't travel up the ladder... there's a balance, and there's every indication that no 10 is the wrong side of it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I can't believe that anyone takes Johnson seriously...and he's Prime Minister.

And @Brian - I did watch - Johnson was utterly hopeless...and was speared by Javid...
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I did watch it too, and as much as I dislike Johnson and feel the U.K. has a poor PM, I’d say he convincingly won the first half of PMQ then traded blows 50-50.

As for the repeated line by Steptoe about insurance; since when has home insurance been the govt’s responsibility? If you fell for that one, it says a hell of a lot about your bias.

Listen to it again. Johnson replies on monies already spent, and are due to spend, hammers a nail into Corbyn. And then there was the reply to the oft asked “why hasn’t Cobra met?” It’s been raised at every Cabinet meeting. Does it need a Cobra meeting?

The only (pathetic) thing Corbyn scores on is why hasn’t Johnson visited S. Wales. What good does turning up in a pair of wellies do? It interrupts those on the ground grafting, and also stops Johnson working effectively whilst travelling.

Seriously, listen to Johnson’s replies without prejudging because of your take on the question. If you still think Johnson got hammered you need to seriously recalibrate your metrics.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Which is what Javid said about the new Chancellor - he should be allowed to get on with his job 'without fear or favour' - as clearly he himself was not able to do...
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Really? That’s the best you can come up with? When Johnson formed his new govt-Cabinet Javid resigned before it even sat. And you think that gives Javid the inside line?

Yeah, of course it does....pathetic attempt to smear Johnson. You really need to find some objectivity. Like I said, I can’t stand Johnson but I fail to see what you have seen.
 
Hobbit said:
Really? That’s the best you can come up with? When Johnson formed his new govt-Cabinet Javid resigned before it even sat. And you think that gives Javid the inside line?

Yeah, of course it does....pathetic attempt to smear Johnson. You really need to find some objectivity. Like I said, I can’t stand Johnson but I fail to see what you have seen.
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Fair enough...I'm not going to express any further my disdain for how he acts and what he says. The People voted for him. They can explain him. He is Prime Minister - the country is faced with dealing with a couple of really serious issues and he is nowhere to be seen. Well if that's what people voted for then fine.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Fair enough...I'm not going to express any further my disdain for how he acts and what he says. The People voted for him. They can explain him. He is Prime Minister - the country is faced with dealing with a couple of really serious issues and he is nowhere to be seen. Well if that's what people voted for then fine.
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Petulance doesn’t suit you. I agree with you about his character, and as I said pre-election, “Trumplite.” But I’ll measure him on what he does each time he does something, not start from a blinkered, biased perspective.
 
ger147 said:
Be careful you don't make promises you can't keep, you could leave yourself open to accusations of lying...
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It’ll be a “mis truth” not a lie and I bet it’ll last about as long his “I’m out” comments on the brexit thread ??
 
Hobbit said:
I did watch it too, and as much as I dislike Johnson and feel the U.K. has a poor PM, I’d say he convincingly won the first half of PMQ then traded blows 50-50.

As for the repeated line by Steptoe about insurance; since when has home insurance been the govt’s responsibility? If you fell for that one, it says a hell of a lot about your bias.

Listen to it again. Johnson replies on monies already spent, and are due to spend, hammers a nail into Corbyn. And then there was the reply to the oft asked “why hasn’t Cobra met?” It’s been raised at every Cabinet meeting. Does it need a Cobra meeting?

The only (pathetic) thing Corbyn scores on is why hasn’t Johnson visited S. Wales. What good does turning up in a pair of wellies do? It interrupts those on the ground grafting, and also stops Johnson working effectively whilst travelling.

Seriously, listen to Johnson’s replies without prejudging because of your take on the question. If you still think Johnson got hammered you need to seriously recalibrate your metrics.
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I am amazed that there isn’t a government backed flood insurance scheme as some areas are pretty
Much uninsurable
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Which is what Javid said about the new Chancellor - he should be allowed to get on with his job 'without fear or favour' - as clearly he himself was not able to do...
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I challenged you and I am quite happy to be challenged. But this is a pretty weak deflection.

IMO I would take your comments more seriously jf you avoided the emotional and (IMO) juvenile phrases. Johnson is the PM you do not have to be his friend but it might be a good idea to look past your emotions.
 
pendodave said:
Hmmm there's along and sorry history of disasters when leadership cultivates a culture where 'bad news' doesn't travel up the ladder... there's a balance, and there's every indication that no 10 is the wrong side of it.
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Its nothing to do with bad news traveling up the ladder. As I explained its about collective responsibility, when you get news be it good or bad and collectively decide on a plan of action then all executives need to hold the company line or get out.
 
drdel said:
I didn't see the same thing. IMO the UK is better off with a PM who concentrates on collegiate Cabinet responsibilities and expects the delegated relevant ministers to do their jobs.

Any PM visit would be criticised (probably by yourself) for having been a staged PR pantomime, visiting the wrong place and disrupting emergency services etc, etc. Such visits achieve nothing practical in reality.
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Two things learnt about Boris when Mayor... He likes a photo opportunity but he also has a penchant for going AWOL when it matters...
 
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