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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

The Treasury won't take kindly to having its wings clipped, will be interesting to see if this comes back to haunt Boris some time down the road.
 
ger147 said:
The Treasury won't take kindly to having its wings clipped, will be interesting to see if this comes back to haunt Boris some time down the road.
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Will be interesting to see what budget cummings comes up with. And how it is briefed before and after.
 
pendodave said:
Will be interesting to see what budget cummings comes up with. And how it is briefed before and after.
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Assuming Javid and the Treasury have all but finished it with just 4 weeks to go, there will deffo be a No.10 driven re-write underway.

As you say, will be interesting to see what's in it and how it's reported.
 
Johnson fan boys should be happy with this...getting all nice and authoritarian to do what he wants whenever he wants - just like Donny.

Cummings at the root of what's going on - oh no - this is the PMs decisions.

or as Grima Wormtongue said when questioned about a contentious declaration from the King of the Rohan...

Oh, but this order does not come from me. It comes from the King.

Not that Cummings is anything like Wormtongue of course...such a comparison would be invidious and not one that I would make.
 
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chrisd said:
........... and just like his huge majority mandated him to do ?
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I thought those that voted for him did so on the belief he’d do what he said in his manifesto or interviews, I’d be surprised if any intelligent person voted for him to “do whatever he wants”
 
chrisd said:
........... and just like his huge majority mandated him to do ?
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Really? You might but I don't think so. The country voted for a Conservative government with a mandate to deliver their manifesto - not as far as I am aware of something edging towards authoritarian rule by a single individual with behind the scenes direction from an unelected adviser. But as I thought - the fan boys declare their allegiance whatever, they just need to keep their eyes shielded from events across the pond and pretend it's all OK.
 
I really don't get all the whinging about the reshuffle.

The PM won a sizeable majority and has ideas and plans he wants too push through. Whether we thinks his plans are good or bad isn't relevant; he was elected to run a government. If he wants to take a firmer hand (lets face it there was a shambles of leaks from the Treasury under Javid and his predecessor etc) to get his 'team' around him then why not - I know I would.

The streamlining of the Treasury N11 and N10 has been discussed before: the PM wants one team. I can't see why anyone running a big organisation wouldn't do the same at a time of needing rapid focused change. With the EU's juvenile Brussels cohort continually running to Twitter with 'stories of their demands' the UK needs to keep a strong control of plans/reports etc

In the USA its common practise for the PoTUS to bring in a new team.
 
drdel said:
I really don't get all the whinging about the reshuffle.

The PM won a sizeable majority and has ideas and plans he wants too push through. Whether we thinks his plans are good or bad isn't relevant; he was elected to run a government. If he wants to take a firmer hand (lets face it there was a shambles of leaks from the Treasury under Javid and his predecessor etc) to get his 'team' around him then why not - I know I would.

The streamlining of the Treasury N11 and N10 has been discussed before: the PM wants one team. I can't see why anyone running a big organisation wouldn't do the same at a time of needing rapid focused change. With the EU's juvenile Brussels cohort continually running to Twitter with 'stories of their demands' the UK needs to keep a strong control of plans/reports etc

In the USA its common practise for the PoTUS to bring in a new team.
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He reshuffled a few weeks ago, with the people he wanted!
How long does this cohort last?

Do we take it the last 2 months have been wasted or he rushed in to decisions!
 
drdel said:
I really don't get all the whinging about the reshuffle.

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In the USA its common practise for the PoTUS to bring in a new team.
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Indeed it is - and look what is happening across there.

Current PotUS brings in someone and if they step an inch out of line then out they go until he has in place a bunch of patsies who stand by whilst he does whatever he wants to do...it could never happen here - is what they said when Trump was elected...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Indeed it is - and look what is happening across there. PotUS brings in someone and if they step an inch out of line then out they go.
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So you're saying that if you were appointed to head up a team that required that you deliver on your promises you'd be happy to retain staff who 'leaked' or openly or sneakily took a different view to you own. When I've run my own 'change' teams, anyone who was not 'with me' was asked to move on: either a team has a clear path and focus otherwise it will fail.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Really? You might but I don't think so. The country voted for a Conservative government with a mandate to deliver their manifesto - not as far as I am aware of something edging towards authoritarian rule by a single individual with behind the scenes direction from an unelected adviser. But as I thought - the fan boys declare their allegiance whatever, they just need to keep their eyes shielded from events across the pond and pretend it's all OK.
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I dont agree

The PM runs the government, he is entitled to appoint a Chancellor who will work with him to fund the manifesto he championed and Javid doesn't appear to want to do that. Most PM's have employed (unelected) advisers, indeed I have been watching two different ones assessing the re shuffle on Sky only this lunchtime, one for Cameron and one from Blair.
 
Brilliant!

People don't like unelected advisors. Fine, their choice. Can't say I'm a fan of Boris or Cummings. But the same people then decry Boris because he tells Javid he doesn't like some of his unelected advisors.

Double standards by Boris? Could well be. Double standards by those on here who don't like unelected advisors but aren't happy that Boris has said the same to Javid?

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about fast food, 5 min reactions, before we've had the detail or the evidence of performance. Thank god its 24* and shorts and t-shirt weather whilst sat outside having a late lunch - cabin fever overtakes Coronavirus in the UK:rolleyes:
 
drdel said:
I really don't get all the whinging about the reshuffle.

The PM won a sizeable majority and has ideas and plans he wants too push through. Whether we thinks his plans are good or bad isn't relevant; he was elected to run a government. If he wants to take a firmer hand (lets face it there was a shambles of leaks from the Treasury under Javid and his predecessor etc) to get his 'team' around him then why not - I know I would.

The streamlining of the Treasury N11 and N10 has been discussed before: the PM wants one team. I can't see why anyone running a big organisation wouldn't do the same at a time of needing rapid focused change. With the EU's juvenile Brussels cohort continually running to Twitter with 'stories of their demands' the UK needs to keep a strong control of plans/reports etc

In the USA its common practise for the PoTUS to bring in a new team.
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I agree with most of what you say; The PM is in charge, can pick his team, can ask them to dance to his tune.

My only concern is that, the cabinet is there not only to agree with everything and be yes men, but to challenge and guide the decision making process. Much as a strong opposition, and back benches, are there to hold the cabinet to order.
Just as all good teams in the world of business should have ideas men and people who will critically judge the ideas - one says "this will be great", he other says "yes, but it will cost too much" etc
 
All above is all very well and good - but as many commentators are saying in the US about the behaviour of the PotUS - 'they said it couldn't happen here' - and they are looking around as Trump trashes constitutional norms, institutions and expectations with impunity.

And they had stood at the side and waved him through - and they still do.

Anyway - it's what the people voted for.

But what happens when proper audit and oversight of a business is lacking or ignored - sometimes if the CEO is very powerful and the board are yes men. Such as Carillion that's what.
 
looks like the new chancellor is an Ex Hedge fund banker, who is anti trade union, is all for tax cuts to the wealthiest,opposed tax avoidance clampdown measures and for tax cuts to big business... leveling up indeed
 
Its about time the Treasury was knocked into shape. They have acted like a department detached from the rest of Government for too long now, Javid, Hammond and Osborne have all been guilty of this, the deliberate leaks from their staff that never seem to be punished. I like it that Boris has the balls to do something about it.
 
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