Old Skier
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Nothing new there then
The prince and the sex offender
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RichA
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A criminal charge comes after an investigation, not before it.
An interview is part of an investigation.
If someone wants to clear their name, they might agree to an interview. If someone wishes to deny investigators the opportunity to ask them questions, they would obviously decline.
He declined.
If I was falsely accused, I wouldn't be able to give my side of the story fast enough. Wouldn't you?
SocketRocket
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He doesn't need to say anything, it's up to the person bringing the case to provide evidence that he's committed an offence.
rulefan
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As I understand it this is a civil case. The police authorities are not involved and seemingly have chosen not to get involved.
"He certainly hasn't cooperated". How do you know this? Was he interviewed as a possible witness in the Maxwell/Epstein case or with a view to charging him with something? Did they interview him at all?
Of course it may not even get to court at all if there is a settlement.
RichA
Well-known member
Yes. The Maxwell prosecutors (criminal, not civil) wanted to interview him. After initially saying that he would be happy to be interviewed as a witness, he apparently stonewalled formal requests from them and later the FBI. It was widely reported a year or 2 ago.
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
You'd think so, wouldn't you, but we live in a world where lawyers advise otherwise.
And why? Could be just to be awkward? Could be to keep to the principle in this Country that it is for the accuser to prove the accusation, not for the accused to prove his innocence.
That might seem unnecessarily obstructive if you haven't done what is alleged.
And it can certainly seem evasive.
But, what if your proof of your innocence involves embarrassing revelations of you or some other person, or confidentialities being revealed?
There are all sorts of reasons why you may wish to "not cooperate "
And don't forget Cassandra. Condemned - always to tell the truth, but never to be believed.
There are many people, alas, who will believe or not believe you, based not on fact, but on their political leanings/agendas , or just because they don't like the way someone looks, or the colour of their hair, or who their relatives are, etc.
Nevertheless, in criminal matters, if there is reasonable suspicion that someone has committed an offence, then I am of the opinion that the law should require explanations to be given in a proper and verifiable manner.
(Unlike now)
Reasonable suspicion should mean more than one word against another, and some corroboration
And for clarity, I am not a Royalist.
theoneandonly
Blackballed
He comes from a family that are supposed to be better than us normal people. That's why we bow and curtsey and all that, they are better than us.
So to get himself in such a postion is discgraceful and disgusting and not somethinng to be expected after all they are royalty and are special.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Who says the are 'better'?
But what proof have you that he has done anything wrong?
Surely 'innocent until proved guilty' is a pillar of our society rather than birth?
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Given the litigious nature of the US it is perhaps no surprise at the ferocity this case is being pursued. All that seems to do is feed the media and social media frenzy which does nothing to give Andrew a chance of a fair and unprejudiced hearing. Not sure innocent until proven guilty has entered into too many peoples thoughts in this case. Surely if the case goes against Andrew there would be some basis of appeal given this trial by media going on
Swango1980
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I'd like to know who said this? Is this the official opinion from the Royal Palace? Can I find it on their website? Or, are you confusing wealth, fame or what sort of house someone lives in as a definition of being better than someone else? Bowing and curtseying are simply traditional. If I go to a golf union dinner, we stand when the LUGC officials walk into the room and do a slow clap. I never thought we did it because the LUGC officials are better people than the rest of us, just like any other traditional routine. It is about respect, just like shaking hands after a round of golf.
Again, you are judging the position he got himself into based on media stories. It may well be disgraceful, or maybe not depending on what he did and what he was aware of.
Tashyboy
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60393843
If Prince Andrew was in it’s a knockout he has just played his Joker. For me he will forever be tarnished.
If Prince Andrew was in it’s a knockout he has just played his Joker. For me he will forever be tarnished.
Swango1980
Well-known member
You just beat me to it.
Out of court settlement, nicely before the Jubilee. I guess everyone will go back to loving Prince Andrew now?...
Out of court settlement, nicely before the Jubilee. I guess everyone will go back to loving Prince Andrew now?...
Wonder where the money came from for the pay off, esp as he appears to be skint...as if I didn't know?
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It’s not surprising but it all confuses me
If she is that sure that he assaulted her then why accept a settlement?
If she is that sure that he assaulted her then why accept a settlement?
woofers
Medal Winner
If he is so sure he was innocent, why settle?
rulefan
Tour Winner
Money talks
It's a civil case so no charges likely to come from it anyway always going to be a payout/ damages.
Strange though how someone who denied ever even meeting the person has settled?
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Strange though how someone who denied ever even meeting the person has settled?
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Why didn’t the police charge him ? Why not a criminal case ?
rulefan
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Not enough real evidence
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That’s the crux of it - people will call him guilty yet there was not enough real evidence to charge him with any crime
Has he settled just to make it go away because he doesn’t want anymore exposure or negative press ? Is a settlement an admission of guilt ?
He will be called guilty yet the girl ? Maybe you could say that has managed to get more money out of it ?
Guess it’s hard to come to conclusions
