the next Ryder Cup captian

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theeaglehunter

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I voted Woosie, purely due to the word 'like' he may not be the best option currently (although he is certainly not the worst) but it would be great to see him as Celtic Manor leading the team.

I would like to see Ollie take it for America and then Monty when it comes back across the Atlantic.
 

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Who the hell voted for Faldo?? someone needs to be shot.

Doesnt matter if you like him or not, Faldo had a huge task, probably greater than the next cpt will have and his players played at a standard that would have won many a RC, its just that the yanks had a determination after humiliation, they had home ground and a massive ott enthusiastic crowd and they played out of their skins for the most part. Like him or not, he did a bloody good job when all was against him, even the european supporters to a degree. When you have all that against you and you only get pipped at the post, that is a good RC cpt, like him or loathe him.
 

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Doing a good job is having the public,press and players 100percent behind you,dealing well with the press and public and sending out the right pairings and most importantly winning the bloody cup at the end of it.....none of which Faldo had and that is why I for 1 would not want Faldo anywhere near the captaincy ever ever again.
He should stick to trying to commentate and failing to amuse us with is strange 'wit'......
 

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I voted other, I think Darren Clarke would be an amazing captain regardless of location. He is a really genuine bloke who I believe everyone respects, his competitiveness is beyond question and if he didn't get to play, he would be my first choice as captain.
Saying that, I think he has a plenty more Ryder Cups in him.
 

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Doing a good job is having the public,press and players 100percent behind you,dealing well with the press and public and sending out the right pairings and most importantly winning the bloody cup at the end of it.....none of which Faldo had and that is why I for 1 would not want Faldo anywhere near the captaincy ever ever again.
He should stick to trying to commentate and failing to amuse us with is strange 'wit'......

Ah so the press are a member of the team are they? We need the press to play golf everyone, lets not upset them. :D I have known few RCs that didnt have negative press regarding players/captains, its just that when its won those things are conveniently forgotten by the all too fickle public and press.For a player of your standard not to see the golf produced especially from the yanks and not understand that the likelyhood of any euro RC cpt winning would be very remote indeed surprises me. Did Faldo rape someones pet chicken or something????? I am amazed at the hostility towards the man, I wish I could turn back time and put monty in his place, see him lose, then Faldo get wales and win, hed probably be getting his feet kissed by now. :p

I think Monty or any other potential RC Cpt breathed a sigh of relief that they didnt get it against that particular Yank team.
 
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Got to be Woosnam for Celtic Manor. Got to win it back and his appointment would really get the fans fired up!

Should never be Sandy Lyle though, after what he did at The Open he should never get it. Showed a complete lack of respect for the greatest competition in golf!


Really, so have you never walked off during a medal in bad weather? If you have then I hope that you expect never to represent your club again because it shows a complete lack of respect to the monthly medal? Get a bloody grip. You may not think that its a fair comparison however a monthly medal is about as big a golf competition that you and I will play in.

Sandy Lyle breathes respect, he has been there done it, bought the T-shirt and spanked the Yanks in their own backyard. Sandy Lyle is a graceful and as respectful a man as you can hope to meet.

Sandy has sat in the shade out the limelight while Woosie, Seve, Faldo and Langer have had their gigs time to give the big man the stage. He's earned it.
 

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I have to totally disagree Herb,that was one of the weakest yank team in many a year and also minus the best player the world has ever seen.For me we didn't perform and the line ups in both foursomes/fourballs and the singles order was wrong....imagine resting Westwood when he told Faldo he was ready to go!?
Why bring Monty into your reply?The plain fact is Faldo lost and I believe he was a poor captain,reports from players(that coming from a guy who plays golf with a European tour pro in practice) who played said he was aloof and didn't have a hands on approach in either practice or indeed when checking to see how players were performing indeed relying on his minute back up team to tell him how they where playing.The big feeling was it was me me me for Faldo.
 

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I have to totally disagree Herb,that was one of the weakest yank team in many a year and also minus the best player the world has ever seen.For me we didn't perform and the line ups in both foursomes/fourballs and the singles order was wrong....imagine resting Westwood when he told Faldo he was ready to go!?
Why bring Monty into your reply?The plain fact is Faldo lost and I believe he was a poor captain,reports from players(that coming from a guy who plays golf with a European tour pro in practice) who played said he was aloof and didn't have a hands on approach in either practice or indeed when checking to see how players were performing indeed relying on his minute back up team to tell him how they where playing.The big feeling was it was me me me for Faldo.

There is always negative press and negative opinion following defeat, its always been that way, I watched the RC very closely and regardless of the yanks fielding a weak team(I certainly dont think they did), that team played some fantastic golf that few could compete with let alone beat, Phil was never considered weak but he produced a weak performance, its all about least number of shots in the final analysis and I dont think any team or any order could have changed the outcome. All of this Faldo bashing exploded after his gob ran away on its own for a while and his sense of humour was a little out there to say the least, but as a sporting performance, europe did fantastic, but the yanks had the performance, the luck and crowd. As far as 'REPORTS' go, gossip is gossip and should be taken lightly, as far as me me me goes, isnt that the objective of every tour pro, to think of their position,future always aiming for personal goals such as being the best they can be and perhaps RC Cpt. :D I think you have to be very 'me me me' to get to the very top in anything, why is it now so offensive?

Perhaps because we lost, and in the same way Football pundits/fans rip apart the losers performance constantly bemoaning individuals and often wishing for their dismissal, does golf have to follow the same path of praise for success, condemnation and linch mob demands for someones head after a loss?

You rarely hear any praise for losing teams or their managers unless its a minnow against the big guns.

The big feeling you speak of was generated by media, sport pundits and individuals known to have misgivings about Faldo before he even began his campaign and admitedly Faldo didnt help himself with his comments. If Faldo was so wrong for the job, how the hell did he get it? :D

You should be venting your spleen at those responsible for his selection, from what I have heard from those who were always against Faldo and those who followed after the defeat, he is a complete and utter toss pot who should never have been chosen, perhaps those who chose him are the ones you perhaps should be giving the boot to, they obviously knew less than the anti Faldo camp, why do they get let off? ;).
 

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I think you have to be very 'me me me' to get to the very top in anything, why is it now so offensive?

Errr because it was a team game herb.......you have your opinion and I respect that it's just that on this occasion I am correct with my opinion. :)

For you to say the guy is a tosser and therefore should not have got the gig yet support him is a tad contradictory,you obviously have a wee feeling that this is correct too??
 

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Who the hell voted for Faldo?? someone needs to be shot.

Doesnt matter if you like him or not, Faldo had a huge task, probably greater than the next cpt will have and his players played at a standard that would have won many a RC, its just that the yanks had a determination after humiliation, they had home ground and a massive ott enthusiastic crowd and they played out of their skins for the most part. Like him or not, he did a bloody good job when all was against him, even the european supporters to a degree. When you have all that against you and you only get pipped at the post, that is a good RC cpt, like him or loathe him.

The reason I don't think he is a good RC Cpt is because he was more concerned about his status with the Yanks than the team when they where being battered and harassed off the course, not also forgetting poor pairings and signing autographs when the team needed him.

Though I have never liked him but he lacked the ability to get the team up for the weekend and failed to encourage them from the start, in fact Seve was a far better Cpt than Faldo.

I would even accept Lyle after his appalling walk off than Faldo again.

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Forgot to mention the fact that Clarke has one of the best RC records and was not picked because Poulter was greedy and wanted the US cash in the Fed ex though he could have qualified via other US matches after the RC, total disgrace that Clarke was left out.
 

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I think you have to be very 'me me me' to get to the very top in anything, why is it now so offensive?

Errr because it was a team game herb.......you have your opinion and I respect that it's just that on this occasion I am correct with my opinion. :)

For you to say the guy is a tosser and therefore should not have got the gig yet support him is a tad contradictory,you obviously have a wee feeling that this is correct too??

I was actually quoting others there dodger :rolleyes: I didnt call him a tosser myself, I was referring to the opinion of Faldo in the minds of others.

Team game or not, at that level they are all still me me me as you say, even in a team event of this kind, if they were not they wouldnt be critical of others within the team as some were.

Have you noticed how the anti and pro monty comments are comming out already, strangely in your post? :D :D :D :D
 

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We lost the last Ryder Cup match because the Yanks played better than we did. Nothing to do with captaincy, pairings or what. All our players were capable of winning in match play, but they didn't. The only real influence that the captain has on the team is his two picks, and it must be said that Faldo got that right, despite much criticism in the beginning.
 
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