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What is it then if it’s not work ?
Work comes in all shapes and sizes and a lot of royals work hard in regards engagements and charity events , a lot helping to raise a lot of money
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Work comes in all shapes and sizes and a lot of royals work hard in regards engagements and charity events , a lot helping to raise a lot of money
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Phil
I take exception to that comment. We have family in N.Z and 4 grandkids there. Why should they have to suffer?
Oh good, another thread railroaded by someone refusing to accept other peoples opinions or budge from their dogmatic point of view. No wonder new members don't always hang around.
As for the original question, it needs refining and the public money spent needs to reduced. I do think however they do some good both at home and abroad and there is still a place but I'd like to see the younger generations like Harry and William taking centre stage as the figurehead of the royal family moving on and try to make a greater connection with the public and nation as a whole
As for the original question, it needs refining and the public money spent needs to reduced. I do think however they do some good both at home and abroad and there is still a place but I'd like to see the younger generations like Harry and William taking centre stage as the figurehead of the royal family moving on and try to make a greater connection with the public and nation as a whole
Kellfire
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Utter nonsense. I think it takes a warped mindset to want to be part of the armed services because every instinct in my body says don’t hurt/kill others in the name of “serving†any particular region I was born in.
I hate the monarchy because they are an archaic family who leech from the public and offer us nothing in terms of their actual humanity. Tourism? I really couldn’t give a damn about that. We’re more than just the money we can rake in off foreigners.
There is a lot to love about this country but right now we’re doing our best in society to destroy that. Brexit is but one massive cog in the engine towards the degradation of the UK. We did a lot to improve ourselves as a nation after the evil we perpetrated around the world as the Empire and now we’re in danger of undoing it all.
But all of that is separate from the fact that I do NOT feel pride in being British because why the hell should I? I just so happened to be born here. Why should I feel proud of the land mass where I was ejected from my mother? What a crazy concept invented by people desperate to find worth in their existence. Utterly nonsensical.
Have you noticed how I’ve been mocked in this thread for working for the NHS? One of the last things we really have going for us as an entire nation that could be held up as something we could collectively be proud for?
And I was insulted for that for questioning the morals of the armed services who actively go out to do the opposite of what the NHS does? Just think about that.
If you think that the best marksmen in the army’s history is a better person than the most diligent cleaner in the NHS, then you are WRONG.
I guess we all have different beliefs and I can’t change that but there are many that I sure as hell don’t respect and aren’t worthy of it.
robinthehood
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I dunno, being born into a life of excessive luxury and never having to worry about earning money or providing for your family?
SocketRocket
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You do come over as someone who is very discontent and angry with life, are you doing anything constructive about changing things?
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In fairness to his comment, they are not really at the coal face, most people would be happy to exchange lifestyles.
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I have a warped mindset, cheers.
Some of the best NHS Doctors have saved lives in civvy street using techniques they learnt in the Military.
What if the NHS’s best cleaner is an Army Reservist and the best Marksman in the Army’s history
Glad to see your local shop has got the tin foil back in stock.
Old Skier
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I'll bite even though it appears you were dropped on your head when your mother unfortunately ejected you into this country.
You obviously have no idea what the complete role of the armed forces is or you wouldn't write such obnoxiously inflammatory nonsense.
Go away and do some proper research and find out why and how the services assisted with the Ebola crises, the current work being carried out in the West Indies, the fire fighting carried out when firemen go on strike, flood relief, delivering food and resources to the elderly in periods of extreme weather because the local community-you can't be bothered to help, vital peace keeping work in Africa.
You obviously post just to inflame and have never posted anything of substance, come across to Arrse and grow a pair.
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I have a warped mindset, cheers.
Some of the best NHS Doctors have saved lives in civvy street using techniques they learnt in the Military.
What if the NHS’s best cleaner is an Army Reservist and the best Marksman in the Army’s history
Glad to see your local shop has got the tin foil back in stock.
The fact that a vast number of Dr, nurses and technicians in the NHS are members of the armed forces may have passed him by.
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NHS is full of those with a warped mindset.
Old Skier
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That's why they enjoy sticking things in every orificeNHS is full of those with a warped mindset.
SocketRocket
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Is it a friend or an enima.
Tashyboy
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Sorry Paul but for the second time this week ave got to disagree with you. Some of us that havent served do realise what you have done for my freedom. Some of us have a more open mind. That's the reason why I will be laying a Royal british legion wreath when in pearl Harbour to thank those that paid the ultimate sacrifice. 😘ðŸ‘
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Let's not talk about when I had me scrotum shaved pre vasectomy. He enjoyed that
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It takes a seriously bitter uneducated idiot to think people are just joining the armed services to “hurt and kill†someone - I didn’t join the military to do that , I joined to protect and serve my country , to make the country a safer place so that unappreciated doorknobs like you can slag us off in safety.
What a hollow bitter life you must have. So because I’m proud to be British , proud of our monarchy and was proud to serve my country I’m desperate to find worth ?!?
The morals and ethic of the Armed Services is to protect the country and it’s people - how is that the opposite of the NHS ?
I didn’t realise it was a competition between the cleaner and a soldier they all have a part to play in the country .
But you keep slagging off people who protect you
Anyone fancy looking at facts, instead of opinions?
The Sovereign Grant, i.e. the money paid to the Royal Family = £82.2m
That's up 41% on last year, but includes the ongoing refurb costs for the Royal Palaces.
The Core Grant, i.e. money paid to the Royals was £49.3m
How many visitors did the Royal Palaces have last year, and how much money was generated?
7.9m visitors, generating an income of £395m..................... would as many people have visited if there wasn't the hype around royalty? I can't be 'arrised arguing the yes's and no's, especially as its subjective and opinion based.
What did the Royals do in the way of Royal engagements in the year?
3,200 Royal engagements in 223 working days. The Queen obviously didn't do all of those. And some of those engagements were over several days, e.g. visits to countries.
Further to that, the Queen has an income from the Duchy of Lancaster which is run as a business. Like any business owner she pays business tax and income tax, and she also pays NI for the employees and pension contributions. The business generated just over £20m. Charles, similarly, has significant business interests and, similarly, pays a good chunk in taxes etc.
All the Royal finances and incomes are listed, as are all the taxes they paid. I looked at it last year, when a similar argument was raging, but can't be bothered with the minute detail this year - if you're interested, go and look for it. Its an easy search.
In my opinion, the money received by the state far, far outweighed the money paid out. And don't forget that the maintenance of the buildings would probably have occurred irrespective of whether or not there was a Royal Family. So, if you take the (core) Sovereign Grant of £49.3m, then minus the taxes etc that the Royal Family paid and minus whatever % of the £395m you feel the attraction of the Royal Family has generated ------ just what is the genuine cost to the state of the Royal Family? Are they really leeches?
The republicans and anti-monarchists will never change their mind, I don't have a problem with that, but lets at least base the argument around some facts rather than say, "the Royal Family are leeches."
The Sovereign Grant, i.e. the money paid to the Royal Family = £82.2m
That's up 41% on last year, but includes the ongoing refurb costs for the Royal Palaces.
The Core Grant, i.e. money paid to the Royals was £49.3m
How many visitors did the Royal Palaces have last year, and how much money was generated?
7.9m visitors, generating an income of £395m..................... would as many people have visited if there wasn't the hype around royalty? I can't be 'arrised arguing the yes's and no's, especially as its subjective and opinion based.
What did the Royals do in the way of Royal engagements in the year?
3,200 Royal engagements in 223 working days. The Queen obviously didn't do all of those. And some of those engagements were over several days, e.g. visits to countries.
Further to that, the Queen has an income from the Duchy of Lancaster which is run as a business. Like any business owner she pays business tax and income tax, and she also pays NI for the employees and pension contributions. The business generated just over £20m. Charles, similarly, has significant business interests and, similarly, pays a good chunk in taxes etc.
All the Royal finances and incomes are listed, as are all the taxes they paid. I looked at it last year, when a similar argument was raging, but can't be bothered with the minute detail this year - if you're interested, go and look for it. Its an easy search.
In my opinion, the money received by the state far, far outweighed the money paid out. And don't forget that the maintenance of the buildings would probably have occurred irrespective of whether or not there was a Royal Family. So, if you take the (core) Sovereign Grant of £49.3m, then minus the taxes etc that the Royal Family paid and minus whatever % of the £395m you feel the attraction of the Royal Family has generated ------ just what is the genuine cost to the state of the Royal Family? Are they really leeches?
The republicans and anti-monarchists will never change their mind, I don't have a problem with that, but lets at least base the argument around some facts rather than say, "the Royal Family are leeches."
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Not everyone handsome, just those who try to tell me who I am and how I think.
You know I live in an ex Pit area and have heard some horror stories, but I wouldn’t have the cheek to claim I know more about mining than you.
Safe trip petal
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This thread is about the Monarchy, not the Armed Forces.
Can we please get back on track.
Can we please get back on track.
Re the op. I would scrap them.
I'm not overly fussed by the cost, we waste plenty as a country. The extra 70p doesn't bother me. It does however show that no matter how much we big up the tourism they bring it still doesn't offset the money they cost us.
My issue is that whilst there are a few that do great things, many more are as bad as those that end up love island or get me out of here.
I get no pride from them, I don't sing the anthem.
As to the way this thread has gone. I wish we didn't need a military, unfortunately for all the world leaders talking of peace and trade deals etc. Its human nature to want more and I fear if any superpower showed a sign of weakness then an allie would soon take advantage.
What I would say to those with military service is that you chose to protect one and all without prejudice. Those people aren't obligated to then show gratitude, you protected their right to choose.
Some are strongly against military force. Just as some are pro war, vegan, religious or not. You may not agree with any or all of their life choices, but those are their freedoms.
I'm not overly fussed by the cost, we waste plenty as a country. The extra 70p doesn't bother me. It does however show that no matter how much we big up the tourism they bring it still doesn't offset the money they cost us.
My issue is that whilst there are a few that do great things, many more are as bad as those that end up love island or get me out of here.
I get no pride from them, I don't sing the anthem.
As to the way this thread has gone. I wish we didn't need a military, unfortunately for all the world leaders talking of peace and trade deals etc. Its human nature to want more and I fear if any superpower showed a sign of weakness then an allie would soon take advantage.
What I would say to those with military service is that you chose to protect one and all without prejudice. Those people aren't obligated to then show gratitude, you protected their right to choose.
Some are strongly against military force. Just as some are pro war, vegan, religious or not. You may not agree with any or all of their life choices, but those are their freedoms.
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