The Monarchy

[Deleted member 15344]

Actually the Prime minister does have n awful lot of power in the UK. more within the country than the President of the USA. I am not suggesting that the Monarch should over rule government I do think that having someone with the powers that the monarch has and is more democratically accountable would help avoid the concentration of power that can aid tyrants.

But we don’t have a concentration of power -and how do you choose someone and give them the power over the government? What if that one person is a tyrant ?

 

[Backache]

But we don’t have a concentration of power -and how do you choose someone and give them the power over the government? What if that one person is a tyrant ?

You do not concentrate the power in that one person ,. They can have some powers to regulate what the PM does they do not take all his powers.
Power in the US as an example is more shared between Congress, the Senate, the Supreme court and the president.
The Queen nominally has some powers of appointing PM's and agreeing to suspension of Parliament or otherwise . Understandably she is loath to use them. I believe we need someone democratically accountable who has those powers and may at time use them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You do not concentrate the power in that one person ,. They can have some powers to regulate what the PM does they do not take all his powers.
Power in the US as an example is more shared between Congress, the Senate, the Supreme court and the president.
The Queen nominally has some powers of appointing PM's and agreeing to suspension of Parliament or otherwise . Understandably she is loath to use them. I believe we need someone democratically accountable who has those powers and may at time use them.

We have the HoC and the House of Lords -

Do you really want someone who can stop a PM from being appointed? And how do you pick that someone

 

[Deleted member 16999]

A point was made about monarchy and it's close ties to armed forces and somehow that made it more relevant to whether a monarchy is still required, I merely offered a stat to indicate that relative to population armed forces are relative small part of civil service and are no more or no less important than any other jobs. It's a career choice (since national service ceased) and whilst it is an important job I don't see why Monarchy is needed for the armed forces to function, when they function perfectly well in many republics too. Nothing more.

Re the bit in bold, apologies if I confused you but my post was merely in response to Doon asking for the thread to get back on track, I posted what I did as a reason why the thread had evolved on to the Armed Forces.
I didn’t intend it to have any other justification or deeper meaning.

 

[Backache]

We have the HoC and the House of Lords -

Do you really want someone who can stop a PM from being appointed? And how do you pick that someone

Our HOL is unelected and in equal need of reform. I would elect someone to be head of State or have those duties if we retain the Queen as nominal head of state..
We don't even elect our own PM the Queen chooses someone who she thinks will be acceptable to the House of Commons, they are effectively chosen by party political members and activists.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Our HOL is unelected and in equal need of reform. I would elect someone to be head of State or have those duties if we retain the Queen as nominal head of state..
We don't even elect our own PM the Queen chooses someone who she thinks will be acceptable to the House of Commons, they are effectively chosen by party political members and activists.

We elect the party and the leader of that party is PM .

So the public pick one person to be head of state ?! Have you seen the state of our self serving politicians? - I could think of anything worse for us right now because it’s near on impossible to get someone neutral

 

[ColchesterFC]

We elect the party and the leader of that party is PM .

So the public pick one person to be head of state ?! Have you seen the state of our self serving politicians? - I could think of anything worse for us right now because it’s near on impossible to get someone neutral

What about John Bercow? He's totally independent and neutral. ;-)

 

[Backache]

We elect the party and the leader of that party is PM .

So the public pick one person to be head of state ?! Have you seen the state of our self serving politicians? - I could think of anything worse for us right now because it’s near on impossible to get someone neutral

Actually we don't elect a party we elect individual MP's who generaly represent parties and the Queen chooses the leader of the majority party generaly . However if we don't have a majority party the system becomes more clouded and judgement is called for I believe we need someone who is seperatly elected to serve that purpose rather than a perfectly pleasant nonagenarian chosen by hereditary accident

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Actually we don't elect a party we elect individual MP's who generaly represent parties and the Queen chooses the leader of the majority party generaly . However if we don't have a majority party the system becomes more clouded and judgement is called for I believe we need someone who is seperatly elected to serve that purpose rather than a perfectly pleasant nonagenarian chosen by hereditary accident

So how do you elect someone who is neutral ? It seems a very unworkable suggestion and add in another level of authority and control that’s not needed. We vote for local councils and governments - that’s it , the queen etc is all ceremonial and there is no need for that to be anything more regardless of what power she has .

What need is there to bring in one person to appoint PM etc - what happens if the political party don’t want him or it’s not someone the public want ?

 

[USER1999]

You run a reality tv prog, and the winner of love island big brother in the jungle dancing gets to be King/Queen for a year?

 

[Backache]

So how do you elect someone who is neutral ? It seems a very unworkable suggestion and add in another level of authority and control that’s not needed. We vote for local councils and governments - that’s it , the queen etc is all ceremonial and there is no need for that to be anything more regardless of what power she has .

What need is there to bring in one person to appoint PM etc - what happens if the political party don’t want him or it’s not someone the public want ?

If ther is no need the Queen is completely obsolete , as it is there is sometimes a need and potentially will be again.
You do not have to have someone who is neutral, you have someone whose declared duty is to be neutral and run them on a different electoral cycle to parliament.

 

[stefanovic]

The Windsors or Saxe Coburgs, or whatever they are called, arguably shouldn't be there at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Abney-Hastings,_14th_Earl_of_Loudoun

Has any group of people had more luck?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You run a reality tv prog, and the winner of love island big brother in the jungle dancing gets to be King/Queen for a year?

Or perhaps like The Circle when the contestants never actually meet or see each other - but each builds and publishes through 'social media' (The Circle) a picture of themself, their personality, likes and beliefs - a picture that they hope will make then the most popular and so win the competition.

And they can choose to be whoever they want to be - can be any age, sex or sexual orientation that they think will work with the others, and can build a picture that they might not actually believe in whatsoever - but if it wins the game for them - then job done (actually - see Boris Johnson).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Posted this on the wrong thread

But this shows to me how more in touch with the modern world the two Princes are

https://twitter.com/x/status/1190607698821181440

 

[PhilTheFragger]

lots of posts deleted and Points have been given for bad language and a member given a 7 day holiday from the forum.

I know it’s raining and you can’t play golf and we lost the World Cup, but for gods sake ..........

 

[williamalex1]

Rob from the rich and give to the poor, Robin Hood or RobintheHood

 

[robinthehood]

Rob from the rich and give to the poor, Robin Hood or RobintheHood

Ha ha was nothing to do with me 😂😂

 

[Hacker Khan]

lots of posts deleted and Points have been given for bad language and a member given a 7 day holiday from the forum.

I know it’s raining and you can’t play golf and we lost the World Cup, but for gods sake ..........

Unbelievable, I always miss out on the threads that get tasty and people throw their toys out of the pram. You should set up a forum premium subscription that gives you unfiltered access to all the posts where people start effing and jeffing.

And of all the threads it's one about the royalty. I mean what was the beef about, whether Olivia Colman is a better Queen Elizabeth than Clarie Foy? Whether Prince Charles is taking advantage of the his connections to sell Dutchy Originals products merchandise at vastly inflate prices?? Did God save the Queen by The Sex Pistols really out sell Rod Stewart in the silver jubilee charts and should have been number one that week or is that just an urban myth?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Unbelievable, I always miss out on the threads that get tasty and people throw their toys out of the pram. You should set up a forum premium subscription that gives you unfiltered access to all the posts where people start effing and jeffing.

And of all the threads it's one about the royalty. I mean what was the beef about, whether Olivia Colman is a better Queen Elizabeth than Clarie Foy? Whether Prince Charles is taking advantage of the his connections to sell Dutchy Originals products merchandise at vastly inflate prices?? Did God save the Queen by The Sex Pistols really out sell Rod Stewart in the silver jubilee charts and should have been number one that week or is that just an urban myth?

A poster who adds nothing to a thread, simply took the p!ss out of LP in response to Post #194, another poster then came on and told the t.... a few home truths, unfortunately he also called him a word that rhymed with anchor.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Unbelievable, I always miss out on the threads that get tasty and people throw their toys out of the pram. You should set up a forum premium subscription that gives you unfiltered access to all the posts where people start effing and jeffing. And of all the threads it's one about the royalty. I mean what was the beef about, whether Olivia Colman is a better Queen Elizabeth than Clarie Foy? Whether Prince Charles taking advantage of the his connections to sell Dutchy Originals products merchandise at vastly inflate prices??

You never missed anything other than LP made the above post, his stalker (instigator) made another snide comment, Pieman (offender) questions said instigator, makes a fair comment to instigator which included a compliment That sounds like “anchor” 😉 In fairness to Pieman he did apologise but ended up being banned 🤷‍♂️