The double standards of sport.

[Tongo]

You might be 100% correct, but like you say that could be from a pessimistic point of view, I prefer to sit on the side lines when the mud gets thrown at football players when sportsmen from other disciplines get caught out, I think they call it deflection.

Why do people expect that football, with such a corrupt head organisation, is clean further down the tree?

Just because footballers haven't been caught doesn't mean they aren't cheating. There also has to be the appetite to weed out the cheats and the inevitable fall out and damage to a sport. Look at the flak cycling has taken. Sometimes its easier to sweep things under the carpet and pretend they are not happening.

 

[Fish]

In 2016 Chelsea sacked a steward for calling Fabregas a snake, 2012 they didn't sack John Terry for calling Anton Ferdinand something far worse, and I can't repeat on here, there excuse " Chelsea appreciates and supports John Terry's full apology for the language he used"

Now that's double standards of the highest order.

I was just waiting for this....

JT didn't apologize, he refused to as he was acquitted in a court of law, only the FA charged him through their Kangaroo court, why should he apologise when he was found not guilty, wouldn't that then be an admission of guilt?

So, no double standards of any order....

Makes me laugh in this place at times, always the usual suspects from, well not even rival clubs having a pop :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was just waiting for this....

JT didn't apologize, he refused to as he was acquitted in a court of law, only the FA charged him through their Kangaroo court, why should he apologise when he was found not guilty, wouldn't that then be an admission of guilt?

So, no double standards of any order....

Makes me laugh in this place at times, always the usual suspects from, well not even rival clubs having a pop :rofl:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-says-sorry-racist-abuse-Anton-Ferdinand.html


Terry accepted the FA charge and apologised for language he used

 

[Fish]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-says-sorry-racist-abuse-Anton-Ferdinand.html


Terry accepted the FA charge and apologised for language he used

He was told to do that and it was as good as written for him, he wanted to stand his ground but the club pressurised him even though he was fully acquitted in court.

If people want to start putting pictures up of old historic problems with fans and raising stuff like this,well I'll take the gloves off and start putting stuff up also about their beloved clubs, it won't be pretty and will get damn right ugly methinks as compared to some were pretty much angels, every club has situations like these, this is a pathetic comparison but not surprised it has been highlighted, it was just a matter of time as I was watching the way the thread was going.

As I say, usual suspects looking for a rise.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He was told to do that and it was as good as written for him, he wanted to stand his ground but the club pressurised him even though he was fully acquitted in court.

If people want to start putting pictures up of old historic problems with fans and raising stuff like this,well I'll take the gloves off and start putting stuff up also about their beloved clubs, it won't be pretty and will get damn right ugly methinks as compared to some were pretty much angels, every club has situations like these, this is a pathetic comparison but not surprised it has been highlighted, it was just a matter of time as I was watching the way the thread was going.

As I say, usual suspects looking for a rise.

Umm a Chelsea fan started the thread and really can't see what the issue is with discussing situations that have happened in the past that has relevance to the subject ?

Terry clearly apologised and the club also punished him as did the FA. Not sure where the reaction has come from ?

 

[Fish]

Umm a Chelsea fan started the thread and really can't see what the issue is with discussing situations that have happened in the past that has relevance to the subject ?

Terry clearly apologised and the club also punished him as did the FA. Not sure where the reaction has come from ?

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[Deleted member 1147]

Football, apparently, is a game for gentlemen played by hooligans, whilst rugby is a game for hooligans played by gentlemen, and the governing body & fans of rugby waste no opportunity to point out the superiority of their sport, particularly in the morals department.

The hooligan John Terry was stripped of the England captaincy for touting his box and allegedly having an affair with a team mate's girlfriend. The gentleman Dylan Hartley amasses a rap sheet including head butting, eye gouging, biting, verbally abusing a referee and calling him a cheat, elbowing and punching, and is awarded the England captaincy.

Can someone explain this one to me because I'm struggling to work it out?

Ignoring all the drugs in sport, personal opinions on the people involved etc. I think the difference in the 2 sports going their different routes with regards to the captaincy, is simply that they have such different media profiles, and as a result the majority of the population won't know or care who Hartley is and what he's done. As such the media won't get involved as much and the decision will be left with the coaches, rather than the governing body pandering to the ill-informed, quick to judge (probably already decided based on personal dislike or club allegiance) masses, like they did with the JT situation.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ignoring all the drugs in sport, personal opinions on the people involved etc. I think the difference in the 2 sports going their different routes with regards to the captaincy, is simply that they have such different media profiles, and as a result the majority of the population won't know or care who Hartley is and what he's done. As such the media won't get involved as much and the decision will be left with the coaches, rather than the governing body pandering to the ill-informed, quick to judge (probably already decided based on personal dislike or club allegiance) masses, like they did with the JT situation.

Media are massively influencial within football - popularity of the sport helps and they know the power they have

A captain within a sports team is supposed to be a role model both on and off the pitch

Terry has shown himself to be neither at times - especially of the field despite his play clearly showing himself to be captain material but I think a lot of players lost a lot of respect for him over the Bridge and Ferdinand incidents

Hartley is no different IMO - has shown a lack of disrespect towards his oppo and also the ref - he has spent a year banned

But I believe somehow that Hartley still has the respect of the players in the England squad - if he didn't I think Jones wouldn't have given him the job

 

[Fish]

Ignoring all the drugs in sport, personal opinions on the people involved etc. I think the difference in the 2 sports going their different routes with regards to the captaincy, is simply that they have such different media profiles, and as a result the majority of the population won't know or care who Hartley is and what he's done. As such the media won't get involved as much and the decision will be left with the coaches, rather than the governing body pandering to the ill-informed, quick to judge (probably already decided based on personal dislike or club allegiance) masses, like they did with the JT situation.

I agree :thup:

 

[Fish]

Media are massively influencial within football - popularity of the sport helps and they know the power they have

A captain within a sports team is supposed to be a role model both on and off the pitch

Terry has shown himself to be neither at times - especially of the field despite his play clearly showing himself to be captain material but I think a lot of players lost a lot of respect for him over the Bridge and Ferdinand incidents

Hartley is no different IMO - has shown a lack of disrespect towards his oppo and also the ref - he has spent a year banned

But I believe somehow that Hartley still has the respect of the players in the England squad - if he didn't I think Jones wouldn't have given him the job

Why wasn't Gerrard stripped of his captaincy based on role models on and off the pitch for fighting (or assault as I saw it) in a Southport bar?

This was clever as well wasn't it, I wonder how many kids asked their parents what he was doing, not once but twice, deliberate and right in front of the away fans!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why wasn't Gerrard stripped of his captaincy based on role models on and off the pitch for fighting (or assault as I saw it) in a Southport bar?

Because the club didn't seem fit to strip him of it as no doubt they felt he still had the support of the players

This was clever as well wasn't it, I wonder how many kids asked their parents what he was doing, not once but twice, deliberate and right in front of the away fans!

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Fowler was accused of being a cocaine sniffer constantly as well as being abused in the town - he scored in the Derby and celebrated in a way to shove the taunts back at them - it was a stupid thing to do and he was punished

I don't recall anyone saying either of them are saints or excusing either of their actions

But is that the defence of Terry actions ? Bringing up other players actions ?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Personally I don't think the captain has to be a role model. Their job is to lead the team to victory.
Clubs often end up making players with past misdemeanors captains - Tony Adams, Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Vinny Jones, Eric Cantona - the leadership role can actually be what makes them better players.

It's a point I've made before about all sportsmen & women, they are there to do a job and that is all. Parents should be the role models, not sportsmen or soap stars or musicians.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Personally I don't think the captain has to be a role model. Their job is to lead the team to victory.
Clubs often end up making players with past misdemeanors captains - Tony Adams, Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Vinny Jones, Eric Cantona - the leadership role can actually be what makes them better players.

It's a point I've made before about all sportsmen & women, they are there to do a job and that is all. Parents should be the role models, not sportsmen or soap stars or musicians.

I don't think you are far wrong if sport was just about what happens on the pitch

But unfortunately it now extends of the field and public image is very big for clubs - especially when the club attempts to market itself across the globe

Clubs want not just the captain but all their players to be role models and people to look up too - social media interaction is a perfect example

 

[GB72]

I think that there is a degree of difference between the situations being described here.

For anyone who has played in the front row, you will know what a full on and uncompromising position it is to play. I am in no way excusing Hartley for any of his previous actions but it is very easy in a full contact and aggressive sport like rugby to get the red mist and do something stupid and rash.

As for the abusing the ref, he was a pillock but it was not hurling abuse at the top of his voice, it was a comment when walking away and it is debateable whether it was aimed at the ref or the player, though he was found guilty so that may be the end of that for some people.

Part of the difference between the sports is the way that these issues have been dealt with. These have resulted in over a year out of the game as opposed to the shorter bans imposed by football. Rugby may have issues with foul play but they do deal with them sternly.

Will he be the right man to captain England, honest answer is that I have no idea but what I do know is that when I played rugby you wanted a man who led from the front and got stuck in and Hartley will do that. Hopefully the added responsibility will help him think twice about on pitch behaviour.

Many of the other instances mentioned relate to off pitch behaviour and, as far as I am aware, this is not something that Hartley has ever had an issue with. From what I hear from the supporters is that he is actually a thoroughly nice and well spoken chap off the field with plenty of time for supporters, kids etc when he is out and about.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think that there is a degree of difference between the situations being described here.

For anyone who has played in the front row, you will know what a full on and uncompromising position it is to play. I am in no way excusing Hartley for any of his previous actions but it is very easy in a full contact and aggressive sport like rugby to get the red mist and do something stupid and rash.

As for the abusing the ref, he was a pillock but it was not hurling abuse at the top of his voice, it was a comment when walking away and it is debateable whether it was aimed at the ref or the player, though he was found guilty so that may be the end of that for some people.

Part of the difference between the sports is the way that these issues have been dealt with. These have resulted in over a year out of the game as opposed to the shorter bans imposed by football. Rugby may have issues with foul play but they do deal with them sternly.

Will he be the right man to captain England, honest answer is that I have no idea but what I do know is that when I played rugby you wanted a man who led from the front and got stuck in and Hartley will do that. Hopefully the added responsibility will help him think twice about on pitch behaviour.

Many of the other instances mentioned relate to off pitch behaviour and, as far as I am aware, this is not something that Hartley has ever had an issue with. From what I hear from the supporters is that he is actually a thoroughly nice and well spoken chap off the field with plenty of time for supporters, kids etc when he is out and about.

Think the only off the field episode with Hartley was the pub night out in NZ during the WC with the "dwarf throwing contest" where a few players were pictured a bit worse for wear

 

[Hacker Khan]

He was told to do that and it was as good as written for him, he wanted to stand his ground but the club pressurised him even though he was fully acquitted in court.

If people want to start putting pictures up of old historic problems with fans and raising stuff like this,well I'll take the gloves off and start putting stuff up also about their beloved clubs, it won't be pretty and will get damn right ugly methinks as compared to some were pretty much angels, every club has situations like these, this is a pathetic comparison but not surprised it has been highlighted, it was just a matter of time as I was watching the way the thread was going.

As I say, usual suspects looking for a rise.

Which they got.

 

[HowlingGale]

It is sad that actions of others make people question clean sportsmen

Bolt has been shown that his stride length is a massive reason he is quicker than anyone else has been and the guy has been tested to the 9th degree and his reactions to Gatlin tell a story

British Cycling quietly improved as each Olympics went by - watching programs on them they gave a sample every single day but the amount of work they put in js unreal - it's hard work and talent that got them to where they are.

Football I have no doubt there is people who have taken some sort of performance enhancing and footballers have been caught but I would be surprised if the top guys do anything like it because they have so much to lose

With regards to Bolts reactions to Gatlin I seem to remember Carl Lewis having the same reactions to Ben Johnstone. Womder whatever happened to Lewis?

 

[GB72]

Think the only off the field episode with Hartley was the pub night out in NZ during the WC with the "dwarf throwing contest" where a few players were pictured a bit worse for wear

He was there but very much in the background. Mike Brown was by all accounts the main problem on that tour.

Worse for wear goes with the territory. Will always remember Gareth Chillcotts story about his first Bath tour where he was hammering on the door demanding to be let in out of the rain for someone to point out that he had passed out in the shower fully clothed.

 

[HowlingGale]

To dismiss people's talents as being explained by drugs is a bit more than sad

Bolts reason for being quicker than others has been proven to be down to the way he is built and that stride length - that's factually been proven.

Which unexplained stories about the British Cycling team ? - they take samples every day , every single one of them. Why can't people just be better than others - better run team with a better work ethic and more talented cyclists

So do you believe all people that win in sport are drug enhanced ? Spieth ? McIlroy for example ? In fact pick any sport where someone has won ?

Bolt may very well be built differently to everyone else doing the 100m or 200m. Lance Armstrong was proved to have a lung capacity that was super human. That's why he was winning everything. Wonder what happened to him?

Face it, I'm afraid i think they're all at it. They just haven't been caught yet.

 

[Fish]

Which they got.

Yeah I know, need to stick more of them and definitely 1 of them back on ignore :smirk: