The double standards of sport.

HowlingGale said:
With regards to Bolts reactions to Gatlin I seem to remember Carl Lewis having the same reactions to Ben Johnstone. Womder whatever happened to Lewis?
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Well he retired as he got too old to race ?
 
HowlingGale said:
Bolt may very well be built differently to everyone else doing the 100m or 200m. Lance Armstrong was proved to have a lung capacity that was super human. That's why he was winning everything. Wonder what happened to him?

Face it, I'm afraid i think they're all at it. They just haven't been caught yet.
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So you can't prove they are all at it whilst they can continue to prove their innocence :thup:
 
Tongo said:
Why do people expect that football, with such a corrupt head organisation, is clean further down the tree?

Just because footballers haven't been caught doesn't mean they aren't cheating. There also has to be the appetite to weed out the cheats and the inevitable fall out and damage to a sport. Look at the flak cycling has taken. Sometimes its easier to sweep things under the carpet and pretend they are not happening.
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Still a cynical outlook, in this day and age even a hint a top footballer was into drugs or was being covered up the media would not rest, but once again we defend the Rugby cheats by saying they are thoroughlly nice chaps and a good egg!
 
pauldj42 said:
Still a cynical outlook, in this day and age even a hint a top footballer was into drugs or was being covered up the media would not rest, but once again we defend the Rugby cheats by saying they are thoroughlly nice chaps and a good egg!
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His post wasn't defending the Rugby players? I would fully expect a number of them are into it, have you seen the body shapes/speed/etc that they have nowadays?
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
I assume you're deliberately missing the point....

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
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Not deliberately missing anything

Lewis was found to be taking herbal supplements ( from an over the counter remedy ) which put him over the levels but not actually performance enhancing but some believed ( not proved ) that they could have been used to cover up anabolic steroid abuse ( as I believe it states in the article ) - believe the levels of the substances can be caused by cold remedies which is why that level is now increased.

Again no proof ever that Lewis took drugs to enhance his performance and also what happened with Lewis doesn't mean Bolt is guilty of anything
 
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Fish said:
Why wasn't Gerrard stripped of his captaincy based on role models on and off the pitch for fighting (or assault as I saw it) in a Southport bar?

This was clever as well wasn't it, I wonder how many kids asked their parents what he was doing, not once but twice, deliberate and right in front of the away fans!

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Gerrard was found Not Guilty by a jury. You're not suggesting that punishing a innocent person is right are you?

Fowler was eating grass, rigobert song taught him it, you know what them French/Africans can be like :whistle:
 
Fish said:
I was just waiting for this....

JT didn't apologize, he refused to as he was acquitted in a court of law, only the FA charged him through their Kangaroo court, why should he apologise when he was found not guilty, wouldn't that then be an admission of guilt?

So, no double standards of any order....

Makes me laugh in this place at times, always the usual suspects from, well not even rival clubs having a pop :rofl:
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It was my understanding that Terry was disciplined privetly by Chelsea, are you saying that Chelsea didn't issue that statement?
 
pauldj42 said:
Still a cynical outlook, in this day and age even a hint a top footballer was into drugs or was being covered up the media would not rest, but once again we defend the Rugby cheats by saying they are thoroughlly nice chaps and a good egg!
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Bit OTT there. Many of the offences that we are talking about here are the equivalent of an bad tackle or going into a challenge with an elbow. They may sound more aggressive but in a full contact sport these things happen. They are fouls, they are dealt with and bans are imposed. Aside from the most extreme situations you would not prohibit a footballer from captaining a team because he had got a few red cards.

As for the abusing the ref, worse is heard from footballers at every debatable decision. He said the words '***** cheat' as he walked away. Not that loud but heard by the ref. Was he referring to the ref or the player is debateable but he was found guilty and the sport dealt with it admirably and sternly with a substantial ban.

No coverups that I am aware of. No incidents that have not been dealt with quickly and incisively and no incident that has gone without substantial punishment.
 
GB72 said:
Bit OTT there. Many of the offences that we are talking about here are the equivalent of an bad tackle or going into a challenge with an elbow. They may sound more aggressive but in a full contact sport these things happen. They are fouls, they are dealt with and bans are imposed. Aside from the most extreme situations you would not prohibit a footballer from captaining a team because he had got a few red cards.

As for the abusing the ref, worse is heard from footballers at every debatable decision. He said the words '***** cheat' as he walked away. Not that loud but heard by the ref. Was he referring to the ref or the player is debateable but he was found guilty and the sport dealt with it admirably and sternly with a substantial ban.

No coverups that I am aware of. No incidents that have not been dealt with quickly and incisively and no incident that has gone without substantial punishment.
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As the thread has developed the subject has gone wider and I am talking in general, no more ott than people saying the drug cheats in football just haven't been caught, whether we like it or not there has been cheating in Rugby......bloodgate?
 
pauldj42 said:
As the thread has developed the subject has gone wider and I am talking in general, no more ott than people saying the drug cheats in football just haven't been caught, whether we like it or not there has been cheating in Rugby......bloodgate?
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Totally agree and the person involved was banned from involvement in all rugby activities for a substantial period of time. As with any sport, there will be instances and judgement can only be passed on how the authorities deal with it.

I am more dubious about drug cheats at the highest level of football. The sport is just too high profile to risk it and, in any event, as it is an Olympic sport then is it not signed up to a substantial level of drug testing. OK, the missed drug test incident with Ferdinand does not help but I would have thought that any issues with football, as with a few cases in rugby, are far more likely to be recreational than performance enhancing.
 
Fish said:
He was told to do that and it was as good as written for him, he wanted to stand his ground but the club pressurised him even though he was fully acquitted in court.

If people want to start putting pictures up of old historic problems with fans and raising stuff like this,well I'll take the gloves off and start putting stuff up also about their beloved clubs, it won't be pretty and will get damn right ugly methinks as compared to some were pretty much angels, every club has situations like these, this is a pathetic comparison but not surprised it has been highlighted, it was just a matter of time as I was watching the way the thread was going.

As I say, usual suspects looking for a rise.
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If he was told to do this ,why didn't he refuse, keep his integrity and go to another club? I have no doubt the club drafted the statment for him.

Why did the club feel the need to discipline him privetly and issue the statment ?

It was Chelsea that issued the statment accepting Terry's apology, so by doing this they must have thought he said something.

If that's the case they should have sacked him the same way they dealt with the steward.
 
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GB72 said:
Totally agree and the person involved was banned from involvement in all rugby activities for a substantial period of time. As with any sport, there will be instances and judgement can only be passed on how the authorities deal with it.

I am more dubious about drug cheats at the highest level of football. The sport is just too high profile to risk it and, in any event, as it is an Olympic sport then is it not signed up to a substantial level of drug testing. OK, the missed drug test incident with Ferdinand does not help but I would have thought that any issues with football, as with a few cases in rugby, are far more likely to be recreational than performance enhancing.
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I'm just a glass is half full type, would rather err on the side of caution than to tar a whole sport with the same brush, human nature says they are out there in most sports, they just need to be caught.
I find it funny that some of the people quoted and used as reference are 10-20 years ago, that alone tells me it isn't rife.
 
GB72 said:
Totally agree and the person involved was banned from involvement in all rugby activities for a substantial period of time. As with any sport, there will be instances and judgement can only be passed on how the authorities deal with it.

I am more dubious about drug cheats at the highest level of football. The sport is just too high profile to risk it and, in any event, as it is an Olympic sport then is it not signed up to a substantial level of drug testing. OK, the missed drug test incident with Ferdinand does not help but I would have thought that any issues with football, as with a few cases in rugby, are far more likely to be recreational than performance enhancing.
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Rugby has shown that they are not afraid to deal strongly with issues that happen.

I also agree in regards drug cheats at high level - just think it's too big a risk for them to use performance enhancing
 
GB72 said:
I am more dubious about drug cheats at the highest level of football. The sport is just too high profile to risk it and, in any event, as it is an Olympic sport then is it not signed up to a substantial level of drug testing. OK, the missed drug test incident with Ferdinand does not help but I would have thought that any issues with football, as with a few cases in rugby, are far more likely to be recreational than performance enhancing.
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I'm sure there are players in most major leagues that have used drugs. It needs looking at. Fifa were corrupt and it concerns me that even if they'd found cases, they'd have swept some of it under the carpet. However I have to remain optimistic that it hasn't got a widespread problem and that the authorities follow the examples of cycling in particular and deal with it openly
 
On a point of order
Can we avoid accusations/suspicions of drug taking naming specific individuals. This is a public Forum and there are defamation laws in place. GM would not want to be associated with such accusations

Thanks
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I'm sure there are players in most major leagues that have used drugs. It needs looking at. Fifa were corrupt and it concerns me that even if they'd found cases, they'd have swept some of it under the carpet. However I have to remain optimistic that it hasn't got a widespread problem and that the authorities follow the examples of cycling in particular and deal with it openly
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So because FIFA was corrupt you're sure there are players in most major leagues that have used drugs and it needs looking at and it concerns you that FIFA would have swept it under the carpet, so you have no evidence but you want this action taken, maybe it's clean and it's your perception that's incorrect, because once again it's throwing mud at football for no other reason than you're optimistic that it's not a widespread problem.
Is there any evidence of any size of a problem?
 
pauldj42 said:
So because FIFA was corrupt you're sure there are players in most major leagues that have used drugs and it needs looking at and it concerns you that FIFA would have swept it under the carpet, so you have no evidence but you want this action taken, maybe it's clean and it's your perception that's incorrect, because once again it's throwing mud at football for no other reason than you're optimistic that it's not a widespread problem.
Is there any evidence of any size of a problem?
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When the likes of Wenger make a noise it's usually because they have something to say http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34869016
 
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