The case for a bigger hole!

[Deleted member 15344]

I average 33 putts per round, which is not too bad for an old geezer playing a course with tricky sloping greens. Not quite up to the Luke Donald class, but OK for an amateur.

So no need for any chance then :thup:

Excellent end of discussion

 

[rickg]

Maybe pace is your problem or you are just the unluckiest putter on the planet, in the last month you've had horseshoes/lip outs and balls jumping the hole? Can't believe one man could be so unlucky!

Don't forget the out of bounds moved on him as well causing him to lose the competition..

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Are you saying that the size of the hole caused the ball to jump into the air?

Sorry DelC but I feel this is becoming a little repetitive. I sympathise with the putting woes but 33 putts per round is better than average and so you really need to get over the lip outs etc. It happens in the pro game as your initial post shows and there wasn't any clamour to change hole size. It's called the rub of the green. Please try and live with it

 

[FairwayDodger]

If they'd hit better putts they would have gone in, simples!

Lets not tamper with such a fundamental of our wonderful game!

Delc - practice is the answer!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Don't forget the out of bounds moved on him as well causing him to lose the competition..

Ha Ha Ha, totally forgot that one, You haven't bothered with Lottery tonight have you Delc?

 

[ruff-driver]

Big enough ?

 

[nickjdavis]

I have never saw a putt hit the middle of the hole lip out.

Unfortunately I have!!!!

Well....it didn't lip out exactly....it hit the rim of the plastic hole liner and jumped straight out straight back to me....I only just managed to get out of the way of the ball hitting me (I was putting from 18 inches and the ball finished a foot behind where it originally lay). On inspection....the liner was only sunk about 3/4 of an inch and to make matters worse was quite thick....about 3mm, providing a perfect "kerb" for the ball to bounce off.

I admit that, despite being in the presence of ladies, I was moved to loudly utter an expletive.

 

[drdel]

What is far more likely to kill discussion and ultimately a Forum is the ganging up and ridicule of any post. There is no rule that says you must read and answer all posts. Those of you who believe Delc is setting out to cause trouble need to get a life and select what you read based on the author and title there is no call for stupid commentary.

Any new member who sees a topic's author being rudely challenged and ridiculed is hardly likely to post and risk experiencing the same rudeness.

We enjoy the freedom of speech, but obviously the self-righteous band are too blinkered by venom to see beyond their noises.

I suspect Delc enjoys a windup and he suckers a few every time.

 

[chrisd]

What is far more likely to kill discussion and ultimately a Forum is the ganging up and ridicule of any post. There is no rule that says you must read and answer all posts. Those of you who believe Delc is setting out to cause trouble need to get a life and select what you read based on the author and title there is no call for stupid commentary.

Any new member who sees a topic's author being rudely challenged and ridiculed is hardly likely to post and risk experiencing the same rudeness.

We enjoy the freedom of speech, but obviously the self-righteous band are too blinkered by venom to see beyond their noises.

I suspect Delc enjoys a windup and he suckers a few every time.

Really good of you to put us right!

 

[richart]

What is far more likely to kill discussion and ultimately a Forum is the ganging up and ridicule of any post. There is no rule that says you must read and answer all posts. Those of you who believe Delc is setting out to cause trouble need to get a life and select what you read based on the author and title there is no call for stupid commentary.

Any new member who sees a topic's author being rudely challenged and ridiculed is hardly likely to post and risk experiencing the same rudeness.

We enjoy the freedom of speech, but obviously the self-righteous band are too blinkered by venom to see beyond their noises.

I suspect Delc enjoys a windup and he suckers a few every time.

He can post what he likes in my opinion, but add to an existing post, and don't keep starting new ones. Don't you think repeating the same posts makes boring reading, and hardly encourages people to join or stay on the forum.

Another forum I am on, if anyone starts a similar post to an existing one, they get amalgamated, so the forum doesn't just fill up with the same old arguments. Perhaps Delc could use the search button, and add to a post he has started with exactly the same argument a few days ago.

 

[backwoodsman]

Ok. No flaming, no trolling, just my own opinion.

I don't need a bigger hole. You don't need a bigger hole. No one needs a bigger hole. If the ball doesn't go in the hole you need to learn to hit it in the right direction . At the right speed. End of. ( I wish...)

And I prefer poached eggs.

Thank you.

Goodnight.

 

[delc]

He can post what he likes in my opinion, but add to an existing post, and don't keep starting new ones. Don't you think repeating the same posts makes boring reading, and hardly encourages people to join or stay on the forum.

Another forum I am on, if anyone starts a similar post to an existing one, they get amalgamated, so the forum doesn't just fill up with the same old arguments. Perhaps Delc could use the search button, and add to a post he has started with exactly the same argument a few days ago.

As I have been accused of hijacking other people's threads, I started my own this time!

 

[the smiling assassin]

I should have dug a much bigger hole today. The splashback from my mid morning jobby destroyed my beige shorts. The shame.

 

[Ross61]

During the summer I visited Wavendon GC and noticed the Par 3 course had two flags on each green. Apparently the checkered flags were bigger holes for beginners to play to if they wanted. I saw it as like having the bumper barriers up at the bowling alley. I could see value in it to encourage those new to golf. As I said this was on the par 3 course not the main 18 hole course, therefore not interfering with more experienced golfers game.

I would not like any change for the hole on normal play as it would just help those whose weakness is putting. My weakness is chipping but I would not want bowl shaped greens to help me get nearer the hole. If you are poor at one aspect of golf the answer is to practice and get better rather than change the parameters of golf to suit you.

I play golf as it is a challenge, if it was too easy I would go play something else as it would be boring.

 

[mcbroon]

I should have dug a much bigger hole today. The splashback from my mid morning jobby destroyed my beige shorts. The shame.

:rofl:

I actually agree with you Delc. The hole should be a bit bigger. The game's hard enough for your average punter without having to direct the thing into a cup that's only a couple of times the size of the ball.

And who doesn't want more birdies? I don't see what's not to like.

 

[snell]

Sorry DelC but I feel this is becoming a little repetitive. I sympathise with the putting woes but 33 putts per round is better than average and so you really need to get over the lip outs etc. It happens in the pro game as your initial post shows and there wasn't any clamour to change hole size. It's called the rub of the green. Please try and live with it

Well said Homer :thup:

 

[Imurg]

As this is a repeat thread, I'll repeat my view.
If you have bigger holes you will sink more putts, the lip outs will probably drop
But, the putts that currently shave the edge will become the lip outs of the future, they're still going to happen.
A lip out is caused by either misreading the line or pace or by a poor putt starting the ball on the wrong line.
If so, why should you be rewarded with a lower score when you have, effectively, played poorly..?

And if holes are increased in size, how long will it be until a further increase is called for to prevent the lipouts....? Why not just complete the hole by getting the ball into the green or by finding the fairway....

 

[Smiffy]

Had to chuckle at East Sussex National during the Summer. Playing a betterball, partnering my old mate Normski.
On the 1st he had a putt for a birdie to win us the hole, my ball was sitting about 3 feet away from the cup, at a 90 degree angle.
He putted, hit it a little too firmly and it horseshoed out at pace and hit my ball. Penalty!!
Missed my putt and we walked to the 2nd tee 1 down.
We both made sure we marked our balls from then on.

 

[bobmac]

Last try.
Del, do you honestly think you will succeed in your campaign and convince the golfing world that every club will have to increase the size of their holes by 20mm ?
A simple yes or no will suffice

 

[delc]

:rofl:

I actually agree with you Delc. The hole should be a bit bigger. The game's hard enough for your average punter without having to direct the thing into a cup that's only a couple of times the size of the ball.

And who doesn't want more birdies? I don't see what's not to like.

Golf is a hard enough game just to get the ball onto the green in anything like regulation figures, and then you are faced with getting the ball into the hole in not more than two putts, with three putts (or more) being a distinct possibility. A slightly bigger hole would reduce the fear of a three putt, and encourage a more positive approach to putting. It would also speed up play by reducing all the faffing around that seems to occur on the greens these days.