The bringer of bad news?

[rulie]

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about the bit in bold. I think a lot of club players are happy with what happens out there so long as people aren't obviously breaking the rules or taking the p***. I hear lots of comments along the lines of "Well, there's no real advantage gained so I can't see the problem".

Anyway, as rulie says - bring it to the notice of the committee and let them sort it out.

So if they don't win the prizes this week, but do next week while breaking the same Rules, it's OK with you?

 

[MashieNiblick]

Declaring a ball lost in order to play provisional

Seems a bit counter intuitive. You can't declare a ball lost but why would you want to in that case. If they want the first ball to be lost they just play the second ball and of course they can play a provisional any time they think a ball might be lost outside a WH. What was the context?

 

[chrisd]

Seems a bit counter intuitive. You can't declare a ball lost but why would you want to in that case. If they want the first ball to be lost they just play the second ball and of course they can play a provisional any time they think a ball might be lost outside a WH. What was the context?

He hit the drive right to the edge of an oob and into a small, heavily vegetated copse of trees. He then hit a decent provisional, on the fairway and further than his ball could be. As we walked down I asked whether we are going to look for it and he said that we will, but if he doesn't see it in an OK place he'll declare it lost and stop looking.

I explained that he couldn't declare it lost and what the rule is. He found a couple of balls that weren't his and decided to stop looking as his ball was certain to be in a bad place, he and 2 of us walked from the area well inside 5 minutes and it was my shot next. The 4th player was extricating himself from the search area when he spotted a ball, the make and number was what we were looking for. The player said that he had given it up as lost and was going to play his provisional. I reminded him that he has to identify the ball and if it's his it is still the ball in play.

It was his ball and after discussion as to his options, he decided to drop using stroke and distance easy his ball was unplayable, which meant dropping in a poor place and subsequently he blobbed the hole.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Cheers Chris makes perfect sense now.

 

[chrisd]

Cheers Chris makes perfect sense now.

Glad of that!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

He hit the drive right to the edge of an oob and into a small, heavily vegetated copse of trees. He then hit a decent provisional, on the fairway and further than his ball could be. As we walked down I asked whether we are going to look for it and he said that we will, but if he doesn't see it in an OK place he'll declare it lost and stop looking.

I explained that he couldn't declare it lost and what the rule is. He found a couple of balls that weren't his and decided to stop looking as his ball was certain to be in a bad place, he and 2 of us walked from the area well inside 5 minutes and it was my shot next. The 4th player was extricating himself from the search area when he spotted a ball, the make and number was what we were looking for. The player said that he had given it up as lost and was going to play his provisional. I reminded him that he has to identify the ball and if it's his it is still the ball in play.

It was his ball and after discussion as to his options, he decided to drop using stroke and distance easy his ball was unplayable, which meant dropping in a poor place and subsequently he blobbed the hole.

Worrying about the lack of knowledge here and it does reiterate the point about what do they do in their own club competitions and get away with it because their PP's either don't know themselves or are too scared to say anything

 

[hovis]

Interesting ....

An amateur golfer must not accept a prize.... in excess of £500 or the equivalent....
[Rule 3-2a
Rules of Amateur Status]

My friend won the back on black tournament at the grove and won a custom set of tm irons and a 5 day golf holiday to dubai

 

[mashleyR7]

He hit the drive right to the edge of an oob and into a small, heavily vegetated copse of trees. He then hit a decent provisional, on the fairway and further than his ball could be. As we walked down I asked whether we are going to look for it and he said that we will, but if he doesn't see it in an OK place he'll declare it lost and stop looking.

I explained that he couldn't declare it lost and what the rule is. He found a couple of balls that weren't his and decided to stop looking as his ball was certain to be in a bad place, he and 2 of us walked from the area well inside 5 minutes and it was my shot next. The 4th player was extricating himself from the search area when he spotted a ball, the make and number was what we were looking for. The player said that he had given it up as lost and was going to play his provisional. I reminded him that he has to identify the ball and if it's his it is still the ball in play.

It was his ball and after discussion as to his options, he decided to drop using stroke and distance easy his ball was unplayable, which meant dropping in a poor place and subsequently he blobbed the hole.

To me, this reads more like he knew that if found his ball he'd be in a bad place therefore trying to get away with playing his provisional.

 

[chrisd]

To me, this reads more like he knew that if found his ball he'd be in a bad place therefore trying to get away with playing his provisional.

He was using the myth that says "if I declare my ball lost I can play my provisional" without accepting the consequence that it might be found and be in a worse place than he hoped. Yes, he wanted to play his provisional but after his ball had been found

 

[nickjdavis]

An education system by clubs would help but how many members would actually attend rules nights? Those that do will be the ones that probably already have a good knowledge of the rules anyway?
?

I think you would be surprised. We've hosted a couple of rules evenings at my club and they've always been hugely popular with golfers who are both mew to the game and those with a good knowledge of the rules.... not to mention those who THOUGHT they had a good grasp of the rules!!!

A lot of the popularity is down to the fact that our local County rules authority has the ability to present the subject in a hugely entertaining manner, with lots of practical demonstrations, audience participation and real world anecdotes.... all mixed in with a wickedly dry sense of humour.

I experienced the same verve and enthusiasm from some of the EGU rules officials when I attended one of the Rules Schools at Woodall Spa several years ago.

Like I say..I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the support a Rules Evening might get.

 

[chrisd]

I think you would be surprised. We've hosted a couple of rules evenings at my club and they've always been hugely popular with golfers who are both mew to the game and those with a good knowledge of the rules.... not to mention those who THOUGHT they had a good grasp of the rules!!!

A lot of the popularity is down to the fact that our local County rules authority has the ability to present the subject in a hugely entertaining manner, with lots of practical demonstrations, audience participation and real world anecdotes.... all mixed in with a wickedly dry sense of humour.

I experienced the same verve and enthusiasm from some of the EGU rules officials when I attended one of the Rules Schools at Woodall Spa several years ago.

Like I say..I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the support a Rules Evening might get.

Yet, when we did a rules evening the rules official got a question so horribly wrong that emails correcting his answer had to be sent out

 

[pogle]

So if they don't win the prizes this week, but do next week while breaking the same Rules, it's OK with you?

No, it isn't OK with me. I'm just stating what I believe a lot of club players think.

 

[duncan mackie]

Yet, when we did a rules evening the rules official got a question so horribly wrong that emails correcting his answer had to be sent out

I seem to remember that one for some reason....

You faced a common issue in your competition and handled it solidly from the sound of things.

You know you can't ignore it and you know it doesn't matter whether it does, or doesn't, look like it will matter in the greater scheme of things.

 

[chrisd]

Nn

I seem to remember that one for some reason....

You faced a common issue in your competition and handled it solidly from the sound of things.

You know you can't ignore it and you know it doesn't matter whether it does, or doesn't, look like it will matter in the greater scheme of things.

Thanks Duncan

The downside is the feeling that they hate you for it and that rather ruins my pleasure of playing

 

[Fish]

Am I right in thinking if he hadn't declared he was playing a provisional and took 3 from the tee that 2nd ball would have immediately been in play, if you had time you could have had a courtesy quick look for his 1st ball but it would not be the ball in play anymore due to taking 3 off the tee?

 

[Craigg]

Am I right in thinking if he hadn't declared he was playing a provisional and took 3 from the tee that 2nd ball would have immediately been in play, if you had time you could have had a courtesy quick look for his 1st ball but it would not be the ball in play anymore due to taking 3 off the tee?

That would be my take on it. If the provisional is not declared, then the second ball is the ball in play, regardless of any lost or found balls. Just the same as walking all the way to it, declaring it unplayable, then exercising your right to go back to the tee.

 

[chrisd]

Am I right in thinking if he hadn't declared he was playing a provisional and took 3 from the tee that 2nd ball would have immediately been in play, if you had time you could have had a courtesy quick look for his 1st ball but it would not be the ball in play anymore due to taking 3 off the tee?

No Robin, he declared the provisional. He wanted to look for, but declare his first ball lost and play his provisional, if he decided it was not worth looking for any more. Unfortunately for him it was found within 5 minutes in a bad place but he said he'd already declared it LOST which he can't do, so he had to identify and continue with it.

 

[Fish]

No Robin, he declared the provisional. He wanted to look for, but declare his first ball lost and play his provisional, if he decided it was not worth looking for any more. Unfortunately for him it was found within 5 minutes in a bad place but he said he'd already declared it LOST which he can't do, so he had to identify and continue with it.

I know that and the rule, I was just asking that if he hadn't declared a provisional his 3 off the tee was the ball in play, personally if he knew the area his first drive went into and it wasn't going to be very nice, I would not have declared a provisional and just gone for 3 off the tee, they always tend to be the best drive!

 

[chrisd]

I know that and the rule, I was just asking that if he hadn't declared a provisional his 3 off the tee was the ball in play, personally if he knew the area his first drive went into and it wasn't going to be very nice, I would not have declared a provisional and just gone for 3 off the tee, they always tend to be the best drive!

It wasn't the home course of any of the participants so I figure he'd have no idea what he had hit into. Also he just wanted the option to play whichever ball would score best