The app contact, tracing thoughts and faults

[jim8flog]

I was thinking about this today on 2 grounds

I know quite a few people who do not have smartphones.

I opt in, a cyclist whizzes past me ignoring the 2 metre rule and triggers the bluetooth connection. Given that this goes on all the time will this lead to a lot of false positive contacts?

Will you be opting in?

 

[Beezerk]

I don't think the app tells you there's someone close to you with the virus, it just logs the information back to the central information place. I'm happy to be proven wrong on that though.

 

[Imurg]

Depends how you're using it.
If you're using Bluetooth everything will be automated, if you're not then it'll be done by the tracking centre.
Either way, if you get close to someone who has it, has been in contact with someone who has it or is showing symptoms it will fire up the system.
The cyclist will be instructed to get tested or they will be sent a test.
If it's positive then your phone will get pinged with instructions to isolate and test
If the test is negative you'll still be pinged but with a Carry On note.
Surely this is better than nothing ?
I'll be signing up for it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I think that you have to be within a certain distance for a period of time so the cyclist going past in a couple of seconds shouldn't trigger it.

 

[fundy]

Depends how you're using it.
If you're using Bluetooth everything will be automated, if you're not then it'll be done by the tracking centre.
Either way, if you get close to someone who has it, has been in contact with someone who has it or is showing symptoms it will fire up the system.
The cyclist will be instructed to get tested or they will be sent a test.
If it's positive then your phone will get pinged with instructions to isolate and test
If the test is negative you'll still be pinged but with a Carry On note.
Surely this is better than nothing ?
I'll be signing up for it.

surely its more fun to try and find faults in the system, criticise it before you know how it works properly and then not use it contributing to its ineffectiveness then saying I told you so afterwards

 

[funkycoldmedina]

As far s I'm aware it's not about a casual walk past, Bluetooth cannot detect if you're 1m or 2m it's about length of contact. If you're in a shop or workplace with a carrier for a specified period of time it will ping you.

 

[Imurg]

As far s I'm aware it's not about a casual walk past, Bluetooth cannot detect if you're 1m or 2m it's about length of contact. If you're in a shop or workplace with a carrier for a specified period of time it will ping you.

Can't answer that one but either way, in my opinion, it should be an opt out rather than an opt in.

 

[SaintHacker]

I'll be installing it as and when I go back to work. I'm not worried about the potetial privacy issues people are already complaining about, they can alrready get all the info they want about you from google/apple maps etc
I did have a laugh at Matt Hancock on the news this morning though. 1st question, 'No, the app won't tell us where you are', two questions later, 'the app will tell us where there is a potential virus hotspot'

 

[Neilds]

According to Radio 2 this lunchtime, you need to be within 2m for 15 minutes. If that person then reports a positive test, you will be contacted to self isolate or get tested yourself

 

[road2ruin]

I've been listening to Radio 5 this morning and the tin foil brigade have been out in force, they'll not be downloading it as it'll put us one step closer to being North Korea and giving the government too much power!! The mind boggles, they're probably all on Facebook and have an Amazon device in their home yet they're concerned about giving info on an app that could help us get back to some level of normality.

 

[jim8flog]

I don't think the app tells you there's someone close to you with the virus, it just logs the information back to the central information place. I'm happy to be proven wrong on that though.

If the person on the bike gets the virus you are notified as a person who was in contact with them and are likely to have contracted it so must isolate until being tested.

 

[jim8flog]

I think that you have to be within a certain distance for a period of time so the cyclist going past in a couple of seconds shouldn't trigger it.

Have you seen that about the time somewhere? The cyclist has already been close enough.

 

[road2ruin]

Have you seen that about the time somewhere? The cyclist has already been close enough.

This is lifted from the BBC...

It records when two people who have the app are within a certain distance of each other for longer than a specified amount of time.
If one of those people later reports having symptoms, all the other app users they came into significant contact with over recent days will be alerted and, if judged necessary, told to self-isolate.

 

[Beezerk]

I've been listening to Radio 5 this morning and the tin foil brigade have been out in force, they'll not be downloading it as it'll put us one step closer to being North Korea and giving the government too much power!! The mind boggles, they're probably all on Facebook and have an Amazon device in their home yet they're concerned about giving info on an app that could help us get back to some level of normality.

It won't be long before people start linking the start of the virus with being controlled by this app.

 

[Imurg]

It won't be long before people start linking the start of the virus with being controlled by this app.

Especially if they have 5G...

 

[Wolf]

I'm not 100% on how it works as I haven't really looked into it, but going by what I have seen on here and if you have a smart phone I can't understand any reason not to have it especially if it allows a semblance of normality to return for day to day living.

Based on my work I'd assume we may be advised not to return unless we do have the app considering the amount of people I will be working with and nature of their jobs.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Listening to a guy on Radio Scotland who seemed to talk a lot of sense [obviously not a presenter ]
He was all in favour of TT&T as the best way forward ,
The point /flaw he was making is that there should be an I on the end of TTT. Track Test Trace Isolate.
The isolation part seems to throw up the biggest questions.
EG a nurse is TT&T'd at work...has spouse and two kids at home who have been tested as clear ....where does the nurse go to isolate.

 

[Imurg]

Listening to a guy on Radio Scotland who seemed to talk a lot of sense [obviously not a presenter ]
He was all in favour of TT&T as the best way forward ,
The point /flaw he was making is that there should be an I on the end of TTT. Track Test Trace Isolate.
The isolation part seems to throw up the biggest questions.
EG a nurse is TT&T'd at work...has spouse and two kids at home who have been tested as clear ....where does the nurse go to isolate.

If hospitals are anything like where Mrs Imurg works they'll have local hotels and B&B's on standby to house NhS staff in that exact scenario.

 

[i*windows]

maybe of interest https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/05/uk_coronavirus_app/

 

[Rooter]

The biggest issue i see is that the largest demographic of which people are affected by the virus, do not typically carry smartphones. Or if they do, they are most likely switched off to save the battery (like my dad)

Great idea in theory, however it not the sole solution, it must be used with a number of other measures.

I will be downloading it.

And for the tin foil hat brigade, your phone is being tracked by most supermarkets and large shops already, they detect your Bluetooth when you enter a shop then map you round the store, this is how they then decided how to market, redesign etc. its completely non intrusive and nothing goes on your phone, they are just following a transmitter round, perfectly legal.