Thatcher, history will show...

Doon frae Troon said:
MSP's in situ.
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Which ever way you want to twist it towards SNP

They didn't and wont ever have the country 100% united behind them

50% of the country didn't vote for them so don't get anywhere near a 100% majority

But then this thread isn't about SNP or the leader of said party.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
With regards to the poll tax

When it came out the "working out" figured that people living in a single bedroom with just a sink and communial showers ( military blocks ) had to pay £70 a week and at that time was just under 50% of the pay of those people. It was horrific the amounts people were being charged and asked to pay - it put so many people in debt and many CCJ's against single military people was based on the poll tax.
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Eh £70 per week, are you sure ? I think you've made a mistake there.
I had just moved up to the North East from London in 1989, and whilst living with my girlfriends family I was subjected to Poll Tax. Whilst I can't remember the exact amount it was no where near this figure or as high as a percentage of 50%

In principle I agreed with the Poll Tax, although I didn't own or rent a property, I still benefited from leisure facilities, libraries, rubbish collection etc so why shouldn't I pay for it.
 
chrisd said:
Only a few months ago I debated long and hard with Liverpoolphil that Maggie was a great leader. I lived through her rise and fall but "of course" I was wrong because Phil disagreed and, as we all know, he's always right.

For me, she was the "right person at the right time" and exactly what the country needed, yes she was harsh but Britain was going down the plug hole and her uncompromising attitude turned things around, but I do accept that there were winners and losers during that time.
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Been back through the thread and for my tuppence worth this is spot on (not necessarily the first paragraph)
 
Flippin Eck, has anyone had any dinner yet. Been away a couple of hours and the golf monthly forum has nearly gone into meltdown.
Anyway, the bit that I could not get my head around with thatcher is she helped saved the large industries, (Not my words by any stretch of the imagination), but others on here. Defeated the unions, made large industry profitable, British rail, British Coal, British Telecom, Energy companies etc etc etc etc. yet instead of said companies making money every year, year after year for me and you, Joe public. Helping to fund education and the health service etc. She then sold them off for a pittance of what they were actually worth and was/is still praised for it. Eh, how's that work out.
If I sold my Ping G30 driver for a quid I am a grade one ****, but she is a hero. How's that work out.
Don't get me wrong she sold the family silver and Gordon Brown sold the family Gold.
But don't be fooled into thinking I cannot stand her because of what she did to the miners. Some of her policies affected everyone at the time and still continue to affect people a generation later.
 
JohnnyDee said:
Who started this whole kerfuffle anyway? :whistle:

Oughtn't we to be debating the relative merits of pink castle tees v traditional wooden ones? :D
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There you go again stirring it, everyone knows bristle tees are the future. Less friction 😁👍
 
My poll tax memories are being a student with no income and still getting a poll tax bill. My Dad had to pay it for me and so he ended up having to pay 2 people's bills, which was sorta the opposite of the whole poll tax concept.
 
Tashyboy said:
Flippin Eck, has anyone had any dinner yet. Been away a couple of hours and the golf monthly forum has nearly gone into meltdown.
Anyway, the bit that I could not get my head around with thatcher is she helped saved the large industries, (Not my words by any stretch of the imagination), but others on here. Defeated the unions, made large industry profitable, British rail, British Coal, British Telecom, Energy companies etc etc etc etc. yet instead of said companies making money every year, year after year for me and you, Joe public. Helping to fund education and the health service etc. She then sold them off for a pittance of what they were actually worth and was/is still praised for it. Eh, how's that work out.
If I sold my Ping G30 driver for a quid I am a grade one ****, but she is a hero. How's that work out.
Don't get me wrong she sold the family silver and Gordon Brown sold the family Gold.
But don't be fooled into thinking I cannot stand her because of what she did to the miners. Some of her policies affected everyone at the time and still continue to affect people a generation later.
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You might be a bit wrong there Tashy. Even when privatised they still had to pay corporation tax, and there was the millions from the sell off. And if you cast your mind back, a number of those industries were costing the tax payer money.
 
Some wide ranging and interesting views. Thatcher always divided opinion, even amongst her own party. I liked her but then again I had a "Tory" upbringing. Mind you she wasn't happy when I screwed her monthly salary (I use to be her pay clerk) and I got a hand written letter complaining (good old days before email).
 
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BT (post office telephones) was propping up the post office for years before BT was formed. It was then the first to get sold off for a pittance of what it was worth. All the city money men made a fortune out of it. At £1.30 a share to buy it more than doubled value on the first day. Only wish I had the money to invest.
 
Ross61 said:
BT (post office telephones) was propping up the post office for years before BT was formed. It was then the first to get sold off for a pittance of what it was worth. All the city money men made a fortune out of it. At £1.30 a share to buy it more than doubled value on the first day. Only wish I had the money to invest.
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Ah the good old Busby ads. Think my old man stuck a lot of the family savings in and made a quick buck. Invested all back into the business
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Ah the good old Busby ads. Think my old man stuck a lot of the family savings in and made a quick buck. Invested all back into the business
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Homer that is one of the reasons my ma and pa loved Thatcher. They bought shares in every privatised company and made some good money. Not to sure about the company's paying corporation tax, every week there are companies that Are named and shamed as not paying said tax.
 
Tashyboy said:
Homer that is one of the reasons my ma and pa loved Thatcher. They bought shares in every privatised company and made some good money. Not to sure about the company's paying corporation tax, every week there are companies that Are named and shamed as not paying said tax.
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Think had the family business not been struggling they'd have done the same and got involved in more flotations. The BT one came at the right time for some quick (and virtually guaranteed) profit.
 
chrisd said:
I don't recall in my lifetime a leader of a political party ever uniting the country, if anyone could do that they'd win a general election with a 100% majority
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Maybe not uniting all, but I think all will agree that Thatcher is the most divisive PM we have had, with no-one running her close.

If many of the southerners had lived in most northern towns in the 80's, and seen what devastation she caused,they would have a different view.

I agree the unions needed sorting out, but to take away their power base by losing the country millions of manufacturing jobs that had been built up since the industrial revolution, takes a special "talent".
 
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