Swing speed

[bladeplayer]

Average driver speed among club golfers is in the mid 90s. Average on Tour is about 115 mph.

Swing speed increases with the length of the club simply on the basis of the circumference being bigger, and 6 iron speed is usually around 85% of driver speed.

Ethan .. any idea how swing speed is related to players with different builds , just curious now that ive read this, for example 2 guys , 1 guy id 6'4" well built & fit , 2nd guy 5'8" chubby , same swing speed should they hit the ball relitivly same distance , would the smaller guy be creating a different swing or different circumference & be more likely to slice etc.. maybe its not even possible to have the same swing speed , i know nothing what so ever bout it thats why im asking

 

[USER1999]

Shorter guy just needs to swing faster than the big guy. Simples.

Woosnam hit it miles, and was (still is) a midget. It can be done.

 

[wull]

Ethan .. any idea how swing speed is related to players with different builds , just curious now that ive read this, for example 2 guys , 1 guy id 6'4" well built & fit , 2nd guy 5'8" chubby , same swing speed should they hit the ball relitivly same distance , would the smaller guy be creating a different swing or different circumference & be more likely to slice etc.. maybe its not even possible to have the same swing speed , i know nothing what so ever bout it thats why im asking

if you ever watch the long drive competitions you can see there are a few guys out there who are normal size and hit it for absolute miles.2 names that spring to mind is jamie sadlowski and domenic mazza.both these guys are normal size and have a beutiful swing,they don't jump out their shoes and fall about through impact like some of the big oversized juiced up freaks but yet still hit it 400+ yrds.....crazy!!!how they do it i don't know but they manage to produce very fast clubhead speeds and tremendous lag.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Swing speeds + tempo + rythmn vary enormously between players, try to find what is comfortable for you and what maintains your balance thro' the swing, if you need 2 more clubs than your playing partner so what!

If your normal tempo in life is relaxed, why try a swing fast when it probably wont suit you.

 

[SGC001]

The basic sources of power in the swing can be interrupting rotation and the extension of the right arm. So you can basically hit it as fast as you can turn. Someone like Cabrerra has the ability to greatly accelerate certain segments (his angular acceleration of some of the key joints (they were looking across the hip and shoulder joints with the figures I saw - see the x-factor stuff) is high comparable to a lot of other professional golfers), meaning he can close the angles later helping generate power. This will be a lot to do with his muscle fibre type and muscle mass. Obviously other things affect it such as flexibility, strength, lever system, length of levers, the correct sequencing in your swing; whilst maintaining 'proper' form (i.e. efficient hit) but if you can turn explosively you have the potential to generate power. The power in the swing coming from the ground.

 

[RobbOnTheRock]

Thanks chaps, I agree the swing speed isn't so important for us as say pros, having control of the club head is the important aspect.

I've been reading Kelvin Miyhiras articles on the swing and find myself agreeing with him that the power in the swing is generated by the spine and retaining lag until the last possible moment.

His articles are brilliant, He explains what you should be feeling.........to me that's the stuff that pros seem to miss (in my experience). Unless your are naturally athletic you need a bit of help in being shown what the correct muscle firing sequence should be. Instead of start with your feet, or lead with your hips etc, for me (being an engineer) I want detailed explanation of what I should be doing what I should feel doing it............

Cheers
Andy

 

[Smiffy]

Not wanting to get into a willy-waving contest, but I average 82 mph with a 6 iron.

Yeah, but remember where your ball ends up most of the time

 

[SGC001]

Thanks chaps, I agree the swing speed isn't so important for us as say pros, having control of the club head is the important aspect.

I've been reading Kelvin Miyhiras articles on the swing and find myself agreeing with him that the power in the swing is generated by the spine and retaining lag until the last possible moment.

His articles are brilliant, He explains what you should be feeling.........to me that's the stuff that pros seem to miss (in my experience). Unless your are naturally athletic you need a bit of help in being shown what the correct muscle firing sequence should be. Instead of start with your feet, or lead with your hips etc, for me (being an engineer) I want detailed explanation of what I should be doing what I should feel doing it............

Cheers
Andy

I'll have to have a look at some of his stuff when I get chance. For me the legs lead and pass on their power to the remaining segments.

Feel is so personal though, what you and I fell and how we describe it may be very different for the same motion. I think you need to find how and where someone feels a move and go from there. For instance I feel like I clear my hips aggressively during transition, my coach doesn't particularly like the term I use to describe my feel as he thinks it could lead to spinning out. It's not an issue for me, I know what he means and he knows what I mean. I think for me it feels more that way as I always had a strong leg drive, so that bump forward is in there even if I just feel like I'm just clearing my hips.

In other words theres a big difference between feel and real. If we always took it back flat, and then made an on plane backswing that'd most likely feel upright or outside for quite a while as it's different to what we're used to feeling and we have our flat backswing as our reference for feel.

If you've not read Mike Hebron, you might some of his stuff interesting (building and improving your golf mind golf body golf swing) interesting. In this book late ron he goes through what happens in turn through the stages of the golf swing and what happens to each sequence in turn as well (presenting the info separately) He also has books like the inside moves the outside. The idea that the larger distal segments help increase the angular velocity of the smaller distal segments as their rotation is interrupted. So the hips might move at 3mph and the club might move at 100 mph.

Edit: I see he argues for a different sequence of power production in the swing. Have you any more links or do you know of any 3D data in this area. I did have some 3D stuff, but can't locate the e-mail at work. I would have thought information of this kind has been done (much like trackman), I don't know what the accuracy levels of that kind of analysis.

 

[Bratty]

Yeah, but remember where your ball ends up most of the time

Past yours!

 

[bobmac]

Yeah, but remember where your ball ends up most of the time

Past yours!

 

[Ethan]

Ethan .. any idea how swing speed is related to players with different builds , just curious now that ive read this, for example 2 guys , 1 guy id 6'4" well built & fit , 2nd guy 5'8" chubby , same swing speed should they hit the ball relitivly same distance , would the smaller guy be creating a different swing or different circumference & be more likely to slice etc.. maybe its not even possible to have the same swing speed , i know nothing what so ever bout it thats why im asking

All other things being equal, a big guy who has a bigger arc should get more distance out of a swing with the same radial speed as a smaller guy, but all other things are seldom equal. Some of the longest hitters have been tall guys - Anders Forsbrand, David Love etc.

But Nick Faldo was a relatively short hitter for his size, and Woosie and Emmanual Canonica were both more than a foot shorter than Faldo but could hit drives that were still rising as they passed Faldo's ball on the fairway. The legend is that Faldo learned to play with control because of the layout of his home course.

 

[RobbOnTheRock]

I'll have to have a look at some of his stuff when I get chance. For me the legs lead and pass on their power to the remaining segments.

Feel is so personal though, what you and I fell and how we describe it may be very different for the same motion. I think you need to find how and where someone feels a move and go from there. For instance I feel like I clear my hips aggressively during transition, my coach doesn't particularly like the term I use to describe my feel as he thinks it could lead to spinning out. It's not an issue for me, I know what he means and he knows what I mean. I think for me it feels more that way as I always had a strong leg drive, so that bump forward is in there even if I just feel like I'm just clearing my hips.

In other words theres a big difference between feel and real. If we always took it back flat, and then made an on plane backswing that'd most likely feel upright or outside for quite a while as it's different to what we're used to feeling and we have our flat backswing as our reference for feel.

If you've not read Mike Hebron, you might some of his stuff interesting (building and improving your golf mind golf body golf swing) interesting. In this book late ron he goes through what happens in turn through the stages of the golf swing and what happens to each sequence in turn as well (presenting the info separately) He also has books like the inside moves the outside. The idea that the larger distal segments help increase the angular velocity of the smaller distal segments as their rotation is interrupted. So the hips might move at 3mph and the club might move at 100 mph.

Edit: I see he argues for a different sequence of power production in the swing. Have you any more links or do you know of any 3D data in this area. I did have some 3D stuff, but can't locate the e-mail at work. I would have thought information of this kind has been done (much like trackman), I don't know what the accuracy levels of that kind of analysis.

Agreed feel is so important and is pretty personnel, what I like about Kelvins articles is that he explains what the touring pros are doing and explains what segments of the body are firining, I also like his ideas about how to learn the hand position at impact. In essence I think I've understood the golf swing more this last few months reading his articles then any lesson I've had with a pro.

Unfortunately I don't know of any 3d data available, I you find any pls let me know.

Cheers
Andy

 

[Smiffy]

Past yours!

How many balls did you lose at St Mellion?????