Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Over the last couple of weeks ive struggled to find any sort of form in my mid to long game, it got that bad i opted to bounce back to my old coach in an effort to try and get something sorted.
This pro originally diagnosed a couple of faults in my swing, mainly a very strong grip, quite a flat swing plane with restricted hip turn which he put down to having a straight leading foot instead of it slightly opened outwards, i did also have a slight wrist issue. After a course of lessons my swing become more on plane, grip was more neutral although a little strong, and things improved pretty well, i dropped from 20 to 15 ish and things were moving in the right direction. at this point their range underwent a major revamp which meant to continue my lessons i would need to move elsewhere.
after about 4 months things started getting a bit hit and miss so I moved onto a young pro at my club who i seemed to click with, quick diagnosis was a strong grip (again) and also a flat swing plane coming very much from the inside. it was with hes advice that we ditch the in to out swing plane as it didnt give me a save shot, i could get the soft draw, the massive duck hook or the big push shots meaning i never really had a safe shot as a go to swing. 10 lessons in and some personal bests as low as +6 & +7 in medals has seen me play some of my best golf, things went very downhill mid feb. poor consistency on strikes with generally very inconsistent results. As this pro hadnt been the most reliable it was a chance to pop back and see my old pro now their range was back up and operational.
yet again it seems the grip had got a little strong which he hes words were changing the angle of wrist hinge. he also said that id gone from one extreme to the other now swinging very out to in, with a "gay" loop at the top of the swing.. we first of all addressed the grip issue which had some good results, and the next was to try and get me into a neutral position during the back swing as he was convinced this was where my issues were coming from. he didnt want me swining in-to-out for a draw, or out to in for a fade, but wanted to work on being neutral so i had the flexability to play a fade or a draw. ok... logical so i was all ears,
He's info was that on the back swing, when my hands got to around waist height the club shaft should be in line with my feet, with the club head pointing vertically while the shaft remainded around horizontal, this shoult help get me into a position to create more lag in through swing. made sense..... the next point of reference was that then my hands were at shoulder height, the club shaft should be vertical and if any slant at all should be a maximum at 1 o clock... he said that we needed to work on getting the butt of the club pointing to the floor and not outside of the ball as this is what was causing the big hooks as long as we were keeping it between my feet and the ball it meant we were going to be swinging close to plane..
after him explaining it quite well and backing it up with video evidence back to back against my swing, it was clear that i was flat on the take off, before a big over the top cast in a way of trying to compensate the flat swing plane. try as i might with the 2 reference points that he has given i have played some of thw worst golf ever in the last 4 rounds, and im serioulsy considering backing out for a few weeks. but.... in an effort to address hes reference points i just called up a slow mo video of rory to try and restore faith in the pro and hes reference points that he has requested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sg-enFn6L0
In the above video, it seems at 15 seconds in this reference point backs up what he is trying to get me to do, get the club paralell to the ground, with the shaft inline with my feet... ok this restores some faith, but at this point he wants wrist hinge to start.
Now heres where it gets interesting, at 18 seconds the butt of rorys driver points straight at the ball, which would give the impression he is on plane, yet at this point my pro is saying that he would want my shaft vertical or at very worst from the view you have of rorys swing 11 o clock max, but if anything more between 11 & 12. the problem is people have spotted that once im in this poistion its very easy for 2 faults to come into play, a slight drop of the hands (im assuming) which is then causing a big hook caused from coming from the inside, or a big OTT case to get out to in, which is seeing some top class shanks that many a pro would be proud of.
The question is i suppose, is the old pro trying to get me to vertical at hes reference point 2... as i feel this is really causing me issues.
The only videos i have of my swing are from the cobra fitting, although im hoping to get a few at the range on thursday,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE0KFzCtFQ
cheers for any help guys, its getting bad when the post needs to be this long, hope your still away.
This pro originally diagnosed a couple of faults in my swing, mainly a very strong grip, quite a flat swing plane with restricted hip turn which he put down to having a straight leading foot instead of it slightly opened outwards, i did also have a slight wrist issue. After a course of lessons my swing become more on plane, grip was more neutral although a little strong, and things improved pretty well, i dropped from 20 to 15 ish and things were moving in the right direction. at this point their range underwent a major revamp which meant to continue my lessons i would need to move elsewhere.
after about 4 months things started getting a bit hit and miss so I moved onto a young pro at my club who i seemed to click with, quick diagnosis was a strong grip (again) and also a flat swing plane coming very much from the inside. it was with hes advice that we ditch the in to out swing plane as it didnt give me a save shot, i could get the soft draw, the massive duck hook or the big push shots meaning i never really had a safe shot as a go to swing. 10 lessons in and some personal bests as low as +6 & +7 in medals has seen me play some of my best golf, things went very downhill mid feb. poor consistency on strikes with generally very inconsistent results. As this pro hadnt been the most reliable it was a chance to pop back and see my old pro now their range was back up and operational.
yet again it seems the grip had got a little strong which he hes words were changing the angle of wrist hinge. he also said that id gone from one extreme to the other now swinging very out to in, with a "gay" loop at the top of the swing.. we first of all addressed the grip issue which had some good results, and the next was to try and get me into a neutral position during the back swing as he was convinced this was where my issues were coming from. he didnt want me swining in-to-out for a draw, or out to in for a fade, but wanted to work on being neutral so i had the flexability to play a fade or a draw. ok... logical so i was all ears,
He's info was that on the back swing, when my hands got to around waist height the club shaft should be in line with my feet, with the club head pointing vertically while the shaft remainded around horizontal, this shoult help get me into a position to create more lag in through swing. made sense..... the next point of reference was that then my hands were at shoulder height, the club shaft should be vertical and if any slant at all should be a maximum at 1 o clock... he said that we needed to work on getting the butt of the club pointing to the floor and not outside of the ball as this is what was causing the big hooks as long as we were keeping it between my feet and the ball it meant we were going to be swinging close to plane..
after him explaining it quite well and backing it up with video evidence back to back against my swing, it was clear that i was flat on the take off, before a big over the top cast in a way of trying to compensate the flat swing plane. try as i might with the 2 reference points that he has given i have played some of thw worst golf ever in the last 4 rounds, and im serioulsy considering backing out for a few weeks. but.... in an effort to address hes reference points i just called up a slow mo video of rory to try and restore faith in the pro and hes reference points that he has requested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sg-enFn6L0
In the above video, it seems at 15 seconds in this reference point backs up what he is trying to get me to do, get the club paralell to the ground, with the shaft inline with my feet... ok this restores some faith, but at this point he wants wrist hinge to start.
Now heres where it gets interesting, at 18 seconds the butt of rorys driver points straight at the ball, which would give the impression he is on plane, yet at this point my pro is saying that he would want my shaft vertical or at very worst from the view you have of rorys swing 11 o clock max, but if anything more between 11 & 12. the problem is people have spotted that once im in this poistion its very easy for 2 faults to come into play, a slight drop of the hands (im assuming) which is then causing a big hook caused from coming from the inside, or a big OTT case to get out to in, which is seeing some top class shanks that many a pro would be proud of.
The question is i suppose, is the old pro trying to get me to vertical at hes reference point 2... as i feel this is really causing me issues.
The only videos i have of my swing are from the cobra fitting, although im hoping to get a few at the range on thursday,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE0KFzCtFQ
cheers for any help guys, its getting bad when the post needs to be this long, hope your still away.
