Storm Dennis

[Tashyboy]

Had a drive up to York today, Tadcaster and York look like there on the coast. They have 2 days of Dennis dumping his wet load on them. Got a feeling there’s gonna be some sorry stories over the next few days.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Had a drive up to York today, Tadcaster and York look like there on the coast. They have 2 days of Dennis dumping his wet load on them. Got a feeling there’s gonna be some sorry stories over the next few days.

Agreed. Nowhere for the next deluges to go so rivers will burst again and we'll have more towns and villages cut off and homes and businesses ruined. Surely in the 21st century with all the AI and simulations the authorities can work out where the vulnerable areas were, how they'd react to massive wet periods like this winter and that a government would have the balls to put up the cash to invest in proper defences

 

[USER1999]

Um, don't build ( or buy a place ) on a flood plain.

Where I went to school there were two houses by the river. The river was 6" deep most of the year, and the houses were lovely. Back gardens backing on to the river. Pretty as.
Trouble was, at Easter, ish, the river used to rise by 18 ft or more, and the houses were submerged. The owners would sell, new buyers would move in. Rinse repeat. Why this never flagged up in the survey, no idea.

It wasn't the governments fault though.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Agreed. Nowhere for the next deluges to go so rivers will burst again and we'll have more towns and villages cut off and homes and businesses ruined. Surely in the 21st century with all the AI and simulations the authorities can work out where the vulnerable areas were, how they'd react to massive wet periods like this winter and that a government would have the balls to put up the cash to invest in proper defences

It's not just about defences. You need to solve what is causing the flood, not just build walls. Look at the problem from a different direction. Look at what is happening up stream, along the banks, what has caused the increase of run off. Building walls alone is an expensive cop out and rarely enough on it's own.

There was a local councillor from Hebden Bridge, flooded badly again last week, who spoke well about this subject the other day. Worth reading his comments if you can dig them out, they weren't rocket science.

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Agreed. Nowhere for the next deluges to go so rivers will burst again and we'll have more towns and villages cut off and homes and businesses ruined. Surely in the 21st century with all the AI and simulations the authorities can work out where the vulnerable areas were, how they'd react to massive wet periods like this winter and that a government would have the balls to put up the cash to invest in proper defences

This is interesting reading following 2015 flooding of Cockermouth. This was not as bad as the 2009 flooding which destroyed 2 bridges downstream in Workington.
Both incidents following record rainfall for 24 & 48 hours. Flood defences were overwhelmed.

http://www.bridekirkparish.org.uk/sundry_docs/Cockermouth FIR v0 12 FINAL (2).pdf

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It's not just about defences. You need to solve what is causing the flood, not just build walls. Look at the problem from a different direction. Look at what is happening up stream, along the banks, what has caused the increase of run off. Building walls alone is an expensive cop out and rarely enough on it's own.

There was a local councillor from Hebden Bridge, flooded badly again last week, who spoke well about this subject the other day. Worth reading his comments if you can dig them out, they weren't rocket science.

I said that in the days of AI and simulations it should be easier to look at various causes and scenarios, improvise what is happening up-stream and simulate outcomes and work out better defences. I never said anything about building walls.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I said that in the days of AI and simulations it should be easier to look at various causes and scenarios, improvise what is happening up-stream and simulate outcomes and work out better defences. I never said anything about building walls.

Apologies, that post came out a bit aggressive in nature. That wasn't my intention. I read defences and saw wall. You never stated wall, my error. ?

 

[MegaSteve]

It's not just about defences. You need to solve what is causing the flood, not just build walls. Look at the problem from a different direction. Look at what is happening up stream, along the banks, what has caused the increase of run off. Building walls alone is an expensive cop out and rarely enough on it's own.

There was a local councillor from Hebden Bridge, flooded badly again last week, who spoke well about this subject the other day. Worth reading his comments if you can dig them out, they weren't rocket science.

in these parts they no longer maintain ditches as they used to do... Seems folk believe building defences is better than maintaining old ways... Tarmacing everything over doesn't help...

 

[Deleted member 18645]

And then some bunch of eco-warriors who live nowhere near the affected areas decide that the apparent plight of the lesser-spotted Iranian mollusc is more important and get a court order to stop necessary work taking place.

 

[bobmac]

I battened down the hatches last night in preparation for the arrival of Dennis.
I look outside this morning and there's not a breathe of wind.
Commiserations to those who are affected but Lincolnshire seems to have been forgotten (so far).

 

[IanM]

I'm in a beach front apartment in Cornwall.

It's a bit rough out there right now!

 

[Jamesbrown]

Neighbours fence across the way riddled with common ivy is certain to come down today.

It was leaning badly last week. Tied it back with abit of thin rope. Can’t see it lasting. It’ll cause havoc for the 7 other houses on the lane as it’ll block anybody’s way out.

 

[Robin Hood]

I battened down the hatches last night in preparation for the arrival of Dennis.
I look outside this morning and there's not a breathe of wind.
Commiserations to those who are affected but Lincolnshire seems to have been forgotten (so far).

The wind is mild here in Nottingham at the moment but is slowly building up.
So Bobmac it's heading your way.
I would seek sanctuary in Lincoln Cathedral ??️

 

[clubchamp98]

Agreed. Nowhere for the next deluges to go so rivers will burst again and we'll have more towns and villages cut off and homes and businesses ruined. Surely in the 21st century with all the AI and simulations the authorities can work out where the vulnerable areas were, how they'd react to massive wet periods like this winter and that a government would have the balls to put up the cash to invest in proper defences

You can have all the AI and computer simulations you like.
There is a reason water goes into rivers and flood plains , it’s the way the land lies.
But if we don’t dredge the rivers and stop building on flood plains the water has nowhere to go.
It’s like our transport agenda they don’t know what they are doing.

 

[pendodave]

Agreed. Nowhere for the next deluges to go so rivers will burst again and we'll have more towns and villages cut off and homes and businesses ruined. Surely in the 21st century with all the AI and simulations the authorities can work out where the vulnerable areas were, how they'd react to massive wet periods like this winter and that a government would have the balls to put up the cash to invest in proper defences

They know where is going to flood - try getting insurance and you'll find out soon enough.
It's raining more and with more intensity than ever before (we all know why)
Upper river basins are managed for shooting, not water retention
We have a lunatic drive to keep increasing our population
It's simply not possible to defend against these. But will we do anything about the causes.... Not if it effects 'growth'.

 

[Tashyboy]

in these parts they no longer maintain ditches as they used to do... Seems folk believe building defences is better than maintaining old ways... Tarmacing everything over doesn't help...

coincidence you should mention Tarmac Steve. When I was buying summat yesterday a woman said tarmacing and concreteing everywhere don’t help. She lives in tadcaster by sea.

 

[Robin Hood]

coincidence you should mention Tarmac Steve. When I was buying summat yesterday a woman said tarmacing and concreteing everywhere don’t help. She lives in tadcaster by sea.

Blimey that's a high tide in Scarborough
I saw this interesting fact:

More than half of the UK land area is farmland (fields, orchards etc), just over a third might be termed natural or semi-natural (moors, heathland, natural grassland etc), a little under 6% is built on (roads, buildings, airports, quarries etc) and 2.5% is green urban (parks, gardens, golf courses, sports pitches etc).9 Nov 2017

 

[clubchamp98]

Blimey that's a high tide in Scarborough
I saw this interesting fact:

More than half of the UK land area is farmland (fields, orchards etc), just over a third might be termed natural or semi-natural (moors, heathland, natural grassland etc), a little under 6% is built on (roads, buildings, airports, quarries etc) and 2.5% is green urban (parks, gardens, golf courses, sports pitches etc).9 Nov 2017

Yes but most of the buildings are by the water courses.
The rivers and ports were the motorways years ago .
We just haven't looked after them when we stopped using them for industry transport.
Instead of using 106billion pounds for some suits to get to London faster.
We should spend it on the rivers to protect peoples homes and businesses.
But the thinking is the wrong way around in government imo.
How long will it take before HS2 can’t run because it’s flooded somewhere.

 

[bobmac]

The wind is mild here in Nottingham at the moment but is slowly building up.
So Bobmac it's heading your way.
I would seek sanctuary in Lincoln Cathedral ??️

My kitchen is nearer and it's got a fridge ?

 

[pendodave]

Blimey that's a high tide in Scarborough
I saw this interesting fact:

More than half of the UK land area is farmland (fields, orchards etc), just over a third might be termed natural or semi-natural (moors, heathland, natural grassland etc), a little under 6% is built on (roads, buildings, airports, quarries etc) and 2.5% is green urban (parks, gardens, golf courses, sports pitches etc).9 Nov 2017

Nearly (I edited this!) half of the UK is Scotland and Wales..... About 10% of England is built on. That's a lot.
Another edit - England's population density (430/kmsq) is the 3rd highest of all countries in the world (behind South Korea and Bangladesh). Only higher are small islands and microstates like Singapore).
Chew on that with your "it's so arable" nonsense