Stack and Tilt - Your views?

[myGolfCop]

Hey guys!

I don't know if any of you guys have heard about the allegations that the Scottish Golf Union teach all there academy players Stack and Tilt?? If you are in Scotland do you agree with any of this?

I have tried Stack and Tilt myself and have never hit the ball better. Crisp iron shots, Low straight drives.. etc

Have any of you tried it?

Also you can check out the articles I've written up on this issue at my golf blog. (Link in sig)

Thanks guys
Paul

 

[HawkeyeMS]

JustOne will be along in a minute - you really have no idea what you have just started

 

[One Planer]

I use an aspect of S&T in my swing (keeping the weight on the left hand side).

I've found it helps with my ball striking but have never tried the full S&T swing, and to be honest see no reason to.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I've dabbled with it and Justone spent a pleasant hour going through it with me and I can see how it works. I just need to grow some bigger balls and maybe give it a full on go for a season. When I did try it the ball striking was actually very, very good. Definitely something in it

 

[SharkAttack]

Had a mate who used to be a Junior County Coach, he never used it but the Head Coach at the time did. P.S the Head Coach is now the overall Scottish Coach, so you may be right.

Shark

 

[haplesshacker]

I use elements of it, and as I've said before, I'm probably 12 months ahead of where I would of been without it. I'm not a 'natural' golfer, and S&T has helped. Though as with any swing, the more you think about it hanging over the ball, the worse the shot is.

 

[Robobum]

What is it with "elements" of S&T??

It's either S&T or it aint.

I use elements of S&T - I stand on two feet, generally facing the ball with the club in two hands. I then move the club away from the ball and then back, hopefully, in the general direction of it.

I also use elements of bulimia, I eat a lot but, as yet, do not employ the bringing it back up element.

 

[Aztecs27]

I think I use elements in my swing. I noticably (to me) keep more weight on my left side, especially for my drives. When I do this they tend to go straight, which is nice.

I feel it gives more control with my longer clubs.

 

[One Planer]

It's either S&T or it aint.

Well, My "element" is to keep my weight on my left hand side, as prescribed in the S&T principles. However, I do not point my shoulder to the ground, nor finish in the reverse "C" that the prescribe as part of the swing.

I just took an aspect of it and applied it to my swing.

To take a quote from their website:

"Sometimes players have taken what they want from the system and move on. That is fine with us."

 

[ScienceBoy]

I have seen a fair few different swing types now, they all look pretty similar and rely on the same principles. Each seems to have its strong points and weak points.

I guess it really is up to the user which is best for them but I am pretty sure that all the main ones are as good as each other, some may be easier for some people to learn but not for others.

I guess you just have to go with what gives you confidence.

I know my pro is teaching me a swing, I do not know if it has a name but I know the basic principles of it and I am learning it as it goes. I see no need to name it as any type other than "my swing".

I do know it does not involve any major weight shift, the power is generated from my muscles not my body mass, which seems to be a sensible thing in my mind, I can control muscles well but controlling a mass is a hard thing to do!

I say do what gives you confidence in the end

 

[Snelly]

I think it's a load of bolloc*s but it works for some people.

 

[Mongoose]

Gave it a go as best I could and found it a great way to hit the ball. Unfortunately, I was unable to stop myself regularly reverse pivoting onto my right foot on the downswing, with disastrous results. Did feel there is something in it and my fairly basic half hearted attempt didnt have enough commitment to fully go with it.

 

[myGolfCop]

Yeah thanks for the responses guys!

Ive used it to great effect. Not sure what 'element' has done it for me but the constant weight balance is nice! Makes me feel stable - especially in the wind. I also see Charlie Wi had a good weekend and he is a stacker! So it must be quite good if you work at it.

Has anyone tried it for more than 12 months? Have you seen any results?

Paul

 

[bobmac]

I think James must be on holiday.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

To be honest, I've read the term stack & tilt on this website hundreds of times and still have no idea what it is. I don't even know if I do it or not.

 

[Oddsocks]

I think James must be on holiday.

Was thinking the same, the last i heard was that he had a siren bolted to he's PC that was sensitive to the phrase Stack and tilt, should anyone mention it on the forum the siren would go off, all the house lights would flash, he's pc would send an email to he's phone in case he wasnt there, it would even text smiffy as they seemed to be joined at the hip.

 

[Ethan]

When SnT was launched, it was pretty clear that you needed to do the whole method or not at all. The reason is that the swing puts you in different positions than the "normal" swing (not that there is one "normal" swing), for example with the steepness of the downswing that needs a specific correction to get back to the ball properly.

Then, as time passed, the proponents started to say that you could use elements, and tried to point out that many famous players have long used elements of it.

I think they are trying to have it both ways.

FWIW I think the method is fine, or possibly even preferable, for short and medium irons where you get nicely over the ball and get a good downward strike with the lowest part of the swing after the ball, leading to good compression. But the same action makes hitting longer clubs more of a problem, and I think the average player will find the proper action difficult with the driver.

 

[granters]

I must admit, being fairly out of the loop, i had to google stack and tilt.

Astonishing then that this is how i've always played , or at least my version of it i suppose. Completely unintentionally i might add, in no way am i trying to claim any great invention or anything!

I've always favoured the left side and generally hit the ball clean and straightish but the major problem, as Ethan says, is it becomes less affective as the club gets longer (in my opinion). I tend to get far too down into it, taking huge divots and distance control was a little unpredictable.

I find that everything tends to go right playing like this from 6iron down. Indeed i've been working on lowering the right shoulder and my game improved dramatically strike and direction wise.

I can see the theory behind it, but i am proof it's not for everyone. For me, doing pretty much the opposite has improved my game greatly.

 

[north5]

Just bought the book and will be giving it a real chance. I have just come back to playing and been working out my swing again and by chance realised that a lot of what I was finding worked seems to be similar to SAT(or so it seems from the bits I've seen on youtube). I'm a pretty good consistent ball striker already so will see what it brings in the coming months and report back.

 

[USER1999]

I am currently having a mare with any sort of golf swing. I was s and t, but currently have not got a clue. When I have any spare time, I'll get the video out, and see what the heck is going on. This could be late November the way this year is going.