Some food for thought!

[JustOne]

Justone do you use stack and tilt? jus cause when you postsed your swing the other week i did not think it looked like an S&T swing! but you always back the S&T method/...

Didn't you think so? Which part?

 

[percy_layer]

Also, I would never go to see a coach that coaches a method,

To find a coach who analyses your swing and defines unique adjustments pertaining only to your swing means that you probably have to be a tour player to be able to afford it

I would have thought the average PGA Professional would suffice......

You must have accidentally missed this part..

MY local PGA pro teaches a method.. his method. He teaches the same thing to every player from grip to follow through.

Referencing one Pro to support your argument is a bit weak. I did say your average PGA Pro would suffice............

 

[kid2]

I didnt think foley taught s&t, i thought he just uses some similar ideas, ie weight on the front foot, and staying over the ball, he doesnt teach some of the other ideas of s&t.
I dont know if your right and everyone will use it or not, I like some of the ideas myself like staying over the ball, but I dont know anyone who can help too much with it, so thats why I have stayed 'conventional', my swing is going alright and I am trying not to worry too much about it atm anyways!
I think if you get a pro you trust who knows a good way for you to swing, then go with it!!

James get a hold of this months Golf World magazine.....There is a good write up about Sean and Tiger

 

[JT77]

Hi Kid, I have it in the bathroom, just past the letters section so far though! lol

Thanks

 

[JustOne]

I did say your average PGA Pro would suffice............

Aren't they all 'average'?

 

[Dodger]

I have wondered why you don't use S&T but yet you back it so heartedly JOUK.

For what it's worth I think it is a pile of pish so you may as well ditch trying to use it and stick with what you have at the moment and work on that.

 

[Screwback]

Justone do you use stack and tilt? jus cause when you postsed your swing the other week i did not think it looked like an S&T swing! but you always back the S&T method/...

Didn't you think so? Which part?

Well TBH justone all of your swing looked like a traditional swing (a good one) my advice would be forget this stack & tilt malarky and concentrate on a proper golf swing IMO you would get better

 

[JustOne]

Justone do you use stack and tilt? jus cause when you postsed your swing the other week i did not think it looked like an S&T swing! but you always back the S&T method/...

Didn't you think so? Which part?

Well TBH justone all of your swing looked like a traditional swing (a good one) my advice would be forget this stack & tilt malarky and concentrate on a proper golf swing IMO you would get better

Wild horses wouldn't be able to get my weight onto my right side or get my spine to tilt to the right ......unless I'm trying to hit a slice

I do (try to) implement all of the S&T elements in my swing, apart from one, I don't curtail my follow through.

The most important thing (like everyone's swing) is that I am happy with it... and I am... even though I thought the one I posted was a load of tripe

 

[Screwback]

Justone do you use stack and tilt? jus cause when you postsed your swing the other week i did not think it looked like an S&T swing! but you always back the S&T method/...

Didn't you think so? Which part?

Well TBH justone all of your swing looked like a traditional swing (a good one) my advice would be forget this stack & tilt malarky and concentrate on a proper golf swing IMO you would get better

Wild horses wouldn't be able to get my weight onto my right side or get my spine to tilt to the right ......unless I'm trying to hit a slice

I do (try to) implement all of the S&T elements in my swing, apart from one, I don't curtail my follow through.

The most important thing (like everyone's swing) is that I am happy with it... and I am... even though I thought the one I posted was a load of tripe

Fair reply!

For me everyone has to be happy with the swing they have for it to work and a swing thought to work with on the course to play well, for me it changes weekly.

But i IMO see the stack and tilt as a bit of a gimmick that could casue more harm than good to a lot of golfers swings.

If it works is works if it dont it dont....

 

[JustOne]

But i IMO see the stack and tilt as a bit of a gimmick that could casue more harm than good to a lot of golfers swings.

What kind of harm did you have in mind?

 

[Screwback]

But i IMO see the stack and tilt as a bit of a gimmick that could casue more harm than good to a lot of golfers swings.

What kind of harm did you have in mind?

From what i can see from S&T (and i am sure you will correct me if i am wrong ) but if you dont get it right it promotes a slice or blocked shot. Now to me the majority of amateurs loose it right anyway so changing your swing to make the bog standard loose shot go to the right is going to be detrimental to their game.

As i said there is something that works everyone

 

[JustOne]

What kind of harm did you have in mind?

From what i can see from S&T (and i am sure you will correct me if i am wrong ) but if you dont get it right it promotes a slice or blocked shot. Now to me the majority of amateurs loose it right anyway so changing your swing to make the bog standard loose shot go to the right is going to be detrimental to their game.

It's a FACT that the majority of golfers hit the ball with an out-to-in swingpath, I can't change that, it's a fact. An out-to-in swingpath promotes a certain shot type, namely, fade/slice/pull. Stack and tilt is the opposite of that and promotes draw/hook/block, no worse than what you are getting with the conventional swing, just in the other direction.


So why bother if it's the same but just the other way round?

Because it promotes better ball striking by hitting down on the ball properly and less duffed shots because the club bottoms out in FRONT of the ball so you hit less fat/thin shots. Almost every report you might read on S&T includes comments on how greatly the players ball striking improved. It can also improve your distance as you are not cutting across the ball with an open clubface, I believe it is also a fact that a draw goes further than a fade.

If you strike DOWN on a short iron it generates a lot more spin, so you can actually gain more control than having to float your ball high in the air in the hope that it lands softly.

If you are a scratch player who has been playing 15yrs, spends forever on the practice ground, hits the ball miles, hardly ever fats/thins an iron and can get their wedge to stop on a sixpence - don't change! Why bother if you're happy with what you've got? but ask most players would you like to hit longer draws instead of fades, have more control on the ball and better ball striking and you don't even need to buy a new set of clubs and you'd think they'd bite your arm off for it

No one gets paid for saying good stuff about S&T and yet the good comments keep coming, I was so shocked myself when reading some of the comments that I was finding around the web that I thought I'd have to give it a go... I was sold on the first day I tried it! I almost didn't want to believe it... I was leaning the wrong way and hitting the ball miles - it almost didn't make sense... and the rest is history.

 

[ScienceBoy]

As mentioned in previous threads I think a 'S&T hybrid swing' will be the be-all-and-end-all swing in a couple of years and all golf books will be rewritten.

Completely agree here buddy!

 

[Screwback]

What kind of harm did you have in mind?

From what i can see from S&T (and i am sure you will correct me if i am wrong ) but if you dont get it right it promotes a slice or blocked shot. Now to me the majority of amateurs loose it right anyway so changing your swing to make the bog standard loose shot go to the right is going to be detrimental to their game.

It's a FACT that the majority of golfers hit the ball with an out-to-in swingpath, I can't change that, it's a fact. An out-to-in swingpath promotes a certain shot type, namely, fade/slice/pull. Stack and tilt is the opposite of that and promotes draw/hook/block, no worse than what you are getting with the conventional swing, just in the other direction.


So why bother if it's the same but just the other way round?

Because it promotes better ball striking by hitting down on the ball properly and less duffed shots because the club bottoms out in FRONT of the ball so you hit less fat/thin shots. Almost every report you might read on S&T includes comments on how greatly the players ball striking improved. It can also improve your distance as you are not cutting across the ball with an open clubface, I believe it is also a fact that a draw goes further than a fade.

If you strike DOWN on a short iron it generates a lot more spin, so you can actually gain more control than having to float your ball high in the air in the hope that it lands softly.

If you are a scratch player who has been playing 15yrs, spends forever on the practice ground, hits the ball miles, hardly ever fats/thins an iron and can get their wedge to stop on a sixpence - don't change! Why bother if you're happy with what you've got? but ask most players would you like to hit longer draws instead of fades, have more control on the ball and better ball striking and you don't even need to buy a new set of clubs and you'd think they'd bite your arm off for it

No one gets paid for saying good stuff about S&T and yet the good comments keep coming, I was so shocked myself when reading some of the comments that I was finding around the web that I thought I'd have to give it a go... I was sold on the first day I tried it! I almost didn't want to believe it... I was leaning the wrong way and hitting the ball miles - it almost didn't make sense... and the rest is history.

Who are you trying to convince JO, me or you

 

[USER1999]

I am beginning to find my swing again, and it is very much a hybrid of S&T and conventional. That said, my conventional swing has been a fade for 20 years, where as my current stock swing is a draw. I'm happy with that.