Sol Campbell

[Papas1982]

Fair enough, if he's just mouthing off with no basis then he's out of order.

But.

What if he's right, what are the implications of that? Is the rush to condemn him because you all don't want it to be true and aren't prepared to take a step back and consider that maybe he has a point?

We're circling here. I accept that if it were true he'd be in a difficult position if a normal person. But I dont think he would have the same worries about his future as overs and so should of acted.


As I have already said and repeated. There is no support for him from anywhere. Kick it out have openly criticised him, as have black colleagues.


So I can't offer him this support on a basis of "what if".

 

[Papas1982]

Fair enough, if he's just mouthing off with no basis then he's out of order.

But.

What if he's right, what are the implications of that? Is the rush to condemn him because you all don't want it to be true and aren't prepared to take a step back and consider that maybe he has a point?

re the implications IF he were right. This country has done more than any of our European counterparts in trying to rid football of racism. But he has accused everyone from top to bottom of being racist. I don't see how we could possibly prove to him that's not the case as it's his (in my opinion false) perception

 

[Foxholer]

re the implications IF he were right. This country has done more than any of our European counterparts in trying to rid football of racism.

Have they? I believe England has been one of the slower/weaker FAs in this regard!

Can you actually identify any action other than the 'Kick it Out' campaign - that hasn't been hugely active of late. Don't tell me racism no longer exists in English Football!

Tokenism and rhetoric imo!

 

[Papas1982]

Have they? I believe England has been one of the slower/weaker FAs in this regard!

Can you actually identify any action other than the 'Kick it Out' campaign - that hasn't been hugely active of late. Don't tell me racism no longer exists in English Football!

Tokenism and rhetoric imo!

I don't think much action has been taken lately as incidents haven't occurred as much. I can't remember an intl break where an Eastern European. Team hasn't had fans making money noises. Same happens in Spain too. Other than the kick it out campaign, what are they meant to do. Racism in this country is not just down to football fans. It's society, and whilst it still occurs. I hear far more 'he did this because he's a racist' than I actually here racist statements.

 

[Foxholer]

I don't think much action has been taken lately as incidents haven't occurred as much. I can't remember an intl break where an Eastern European. Team hasn't had fans making money noises. Same happens in Spain too. Other than the kick it out campaign, what are they meant to do. Racism in this country is not just down to football fans. It's society, and whilst it still occurs. I hear far more 'he did this because he's a racist' than I actually here racist statements.

I did say 'one of the slower'. The abysmal Spanish and (some) Eastern bloc countries does not mean that England has 'done the most'! You seem to be admitting that you don't know what more (than the 1 thing it has done) that England can do! I'd suggest that's quite different attitude to saying 'England has done more than anyone else'! As I stated in the earlier post 'Tokenism and Rhetoric'!

btw. I don't know what more they can do either, but they should certainly not 'rest on their laurels' thinking they have done everything possible!

 

[NorfolkShaun]

My understanding is Campbell was playing when Shearer then Beckham were regular captains.

As a case in point other players in recent years have played more games for England and been captain less than Campbell, this includes Lampard.

Sorry Sol this is a very sad effort at selling a few more books, if I were you I would employ an agent who is likely to advise you better.

 

[FairwayDodger]

An article which, while acknowledging the problems with sol's accusation, makes my point a bit more eloquently....

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...ss-out-england-captaincy-because-he-was-black

 

[Birchy]

Look at the players who were captain while he was in the team. Only Owen is there a potential question mark over. Even then Sol Campbell wasn't the most vocal of players.

He is clearly whacked off his face or just trying to sell more books. Deluded idiot.

 

[kozmos]

Don't care about the England captaincy. Maybe his character and his personality wasn't deemed strong enough regardless of his undoubted ability as a defender. Tagging it with the simplicity of it being just about the colour of a players skin is insulting.
Judas will remain forever the personification of Arsenal football club. When they moved to North London, local supporters frequented both White Hart Lane and Highbury with some eventually remaining red and white. A fanbase birthed from fairweathers and plastics. Basically, Spurs fans that decided to visit the new club in North London and not travel up the Seven Sisters to the club that has always sat there.
Everything from their franchised inspired move for money from financial ruin to bribery and renaming Gillsepe Road stinks of the same stench that owned the area around their original Plumstead home. Judas lied and lied and then lied some more for the sole purpose of money (contract run-down) before making the switch. Yet he has never once accepted this. On his return he claimed the abuse he got from Spurs was race-driven. He's never let go of this. Never. That's some grand delusion he embraces even today. That's why he's hated.
Captain for ten years? More like a **** for a life-time. Spooky dml.

 

[USER1999]

Don't care about the England captaincy. Maybe his character and his personality wasn't deemed strong enough regardless of his undoubted ability as a defender. Tagging it with the simplicity of it being just about the colour of a players skin is insulting.
Judas will remain forever the personification of Arsenal football club. When they moved to North London, local supporters frequented both White Hart Lane and Highbury with some eventually remaining red and white. A fanbase birthed from fairweathers and plastics. Basically, Spurs fans that decided to visit the new club in North London and not travel up the Seven Sisters to the club that has always sat there.
Everything from their franchised inspired move for money from financial ruin to bribery and renaming Gillsepe Road stinks of the same stench that owned the area around their original Plumstead home. Judas lied and lied and then lied some more for the sole purpose of money (contract run-down) before making the switch. Yet he has never once accepted this. On his return he claimed the abuse he got from Spurs was race-driven. He's never let go of this. Never. That's some grand delusion he embraces even today. That's why he's hated.
Captain for ten years? More like a **** for a life-time. Spooky dml.

This isn't about club football, it's about England.

 

[Foxholer]

Don't care about the England captaincy. Maybe his character and his personality wasn't deemed strong enough regardless of his undoubted ability as a defender. Tagging it with the simplicity of it being just about the colour of a players skin is insulting.
Judas will remain forever the personification of Arsenal football club. When they moved to North London, local supporters frequented both White Hart Lane and Highbury with some eventually remaining red and white. A fanbase birthed from fairweathers and plastics. Basically, Spurs fans that decided to visit the new club in North London and not travel up the Seven Sisters to the club that has always sat there.
Everything from their franchised inspired move for money from financial ruin to bribery and renaming Gillsepe Road stinks of the same stench that owned the area around their original Plumstead home. Judas lied and lied and then lied some more for the sole purpose of money (contract run-down) before making the switch. Yet he has never once accepted this. On his return he claimed the abuse he got from Spurs was race-driven. He's never let go of this. Never. That's some grand delusion he embraces even today. That's why he's hated.
Captain for ten years? More like a **** for a life-time. Spooky dml.

Seems like a very bitter 'Tottingham' fan.

Sad to see such hatred! Rivalry I can understand; this sort of bile I can't!

And as Murph posted, nothing really to do with the topic.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Tbh I've only read the link I posted. What makes him believe it was race related?
As for there been no long term black England captains,I can't think of any black players that have played for England that should necessarily have been Captain. Nothing to do with skin colour. Adams,Shearer,Robson,Beckham.... We're all obvious captains for me.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Just watching the Geoff Shreeves interview with Camplbell & it confirms just how much of a self obsessed idiot he is.