SocketRocket
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Do you honestly believe that would ever happen! Do you? Are you suggesting just about every little country around the World could fly over Europe but not the UK. You must be seriously deranged if you believe that.
Sir Nigel Farage?
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Sweep
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No, your fathers generation fought for Britain not to be run by anyone else other than ourselves, especially Germany as it was in the war. If other countries are content to be run by Germany as you describe, then that is a matter for them. If they decide they don't like it they can try to change the EU (good luck with that) or they can leave. Even with Britain in the EU, Germany was the dominant country and that, as you say is not what was fought for. As far as Britain is concerned, Brexit remains true to what your fathers generation fought for.
In terms of representation, the UK has the joint 3rd most numbers of MEP's behind Germany and France, and was considered to be a major player in the EU. Unfortunately, due to a combination of proportional representation and protest votes, almost a third of our MEP's are morons from UKIP, including Farage who only rarely turns up and then only to insult the other Nations!
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drdel
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In terms of representation, the UK has the joint 3rd most numbers of MEP's behind Germany and France, and was considered to be a major player in the EU. Unfortunately, due to a combination or proportional representation and protest votes, almost a third of our MEP's are morons from UKIP, including Farage who only rarely turns up and then only to insult the other Nations!
And, still we couldn't push France and Germany to introduce changes that might have kept us in. Instead both France and Germany have been intent on pushing their own agendas; Germany lending poor countries EU money to buy their manufactured products and France pushing protection of their inefficient agriculture/fishing while bending the rules and still supporting/buying their own industries to our disadvantage.
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In terms of representation, the UK has the joint 3rd most numbers of MEP's behind Germany and France, and was considered to be a major player in the EU. Unfortunately, due to a combination of proportional representation and protest votes, almost a third of our MEP's are morons from UKIP, including Farage who only rarely turns up and then only to insult the other Nations!
But you have to admit, he is very good at that
love him or loath him, you have to agree that he is pretty well single handedly responsible for bringing us to where we are now
He didnt jump on the band wagon, he was the one that started pushing it.
Influential, but now a little lost,
SwingsitlikeHogan
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But you have to admit, he is very good at that
love him or loath him, you have to agree that he is pretty well single handedly responsible for bringing us to where we are now
He didnt jump on the band wagon, he was the one that started pushing it.
Influential, but now a little lost,
Well he is having fun slagging off May this evening - and not happy with May talking about extending free movement.
And he is so not happy with the EU playing hardball and for being unreasonable. And his many acolytes are telling May to throw the EU a big V and walk away.
Loving the caller at the moment calling him the worst thing the country has suffered for years - a failed politician; MEP money grabber; a narcissistic demigod who lied to the British public, and Nige is squirming and trying to weasel out of the accusation that he must have known that the EU would react like this - and he is pretending that he didn't, with this confected shock and horror over the EU approach.
And now Nige is calling the caller a 'sore loser' - ah yes - the usual fall back when he struggles.
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ColchesterFC
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I would argue that far from being a failed politician he is in fact one of the more successful. His main political aim has always been to get us out of the EU and in that regard he has been extremely successful.
Are you happy with the EU playing hardball and being unreasonable and effectively wanting to punish the. UK for daring to want to leave? If the EU is so great then surely they wouldn't need to punish a country for leaving as the others wouldn't even dream of leaving such a fantastic union.
Are you happy with the EU playing hardball and being unreasonable and effectively wanting to punish the. UK for daring to want to leave? If the EU is so great then surely they wouldn't need to punish a country for leaving as the others wouldn't even dream of leaving such a fantastic union.
But you have to admit, he is very good at that
love him or loath him, you have to agree that he is pretty well single handedly responsible for bringing us to where we are now
He didnt jump on the band wagon, he was the one that started pushing it.
Influential, but now a little lost,
I personally can't understand the logic of being extremely rude to the people who we will soon have to negotiate our country's future with. The EU is nothing like the Mafia or gangsters! 🙄
Old Skier
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Perhaps for a more balanced take on it you should listen to Steven Woolfes speech.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Oh Nige - you took a bit of a pasting there on LBC this evening - in fact the worst pasting I've heard you take since you started doing phone-ins on LBC. And the Canadian really trashed the whole 'Canada Trade Deal' thing that we forever hear of - telling you that the only reason Canada got the trade deal they now have is because Canada has valuable and important stuff that the EU really needs - and that UK has none of, and there wasn't much you could say. I guess we provide a market for the EU - even if we have nothing else of value to offer to the EU.
I don't know what happened to all your Leave fans and acolytes tonight - but they weren't that much in evidence. I think I can only give you 3/10 this evening. Must do better.
I don't know what happened to all your Leave fans and acolytes tonight - but they weren't that much in evidence. I think I can only give you 3/10 this evening. Must do better.
Canada only has a population of 36 million by the way. It is nothing like as big a Market as the 500 million people who live in continental Europe. Neither is Australia, New Zealand or South Africa. India and China have big populations, but most of them are poor peasants who would not be able to afford our cars or financial services.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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According to the Canadian we have nothing to offer Canada - nobody buys anything British.
Doon frae Troon
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Population of New Zealand is almost a million less than Scotland.
Population of Rumania, one of the 27 EU states, is 21.3 million
Population of Rumania, one of the 27 EU states, is 21.3 million
Hubble, bubble, toil and trouble... listen to yourselves... any more straws blowing in the wind you can snatch at. At least put forward a reasonable argument.
The world population is 7.5 billion, that's billions not hundreds of millions, billions. Jeez, its like listening to 3 kids in the playground rubbing their hands with glee.
Leftie
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You said it Hogie, you said it.
And I must say that you are extremely selective in the examples of callers you tell us about.
Doon frae Troon
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Give over...I suppose you agree with the Zoomers within PM Mayhem's government who say they will not trade with an Independent Scotland. Then they put up New Zealand as an exciting new trading partner.
SocketRocket
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The main difference beeing that NZ are able to manage their economy without a prop up from someone else.Give over...I suppose you agree with the Zoomers within PM Mayhem's government who say they will not trade with an Independent Scotland. Then they put up New Zealand as an exciting new trading partner.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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You said it Hogie, you said it.
And I must say that you are extremely selective in the examples of callers you tell us about.
Do you listen? Just asking. And yes - I just couldn't post all the nonsense, misinformation and misunderstanding of various degrees you hear. Besides - I do learn stuff by listening - as I will check out some of the stuff I hear - just to make sure I haven't got it wrong.
And for Nige - last night was a bit of a pasting compared with his usual hour - largely brought upon himself by his antics in EU Parliament earlier in the day.
And as far as Canada. I just mentioned Canada as the trade agreement that country has just struck with the EU is quoted here as an example of what the UK to achieve - indeed it was the subject of a discussion on the Art50 thread and about which I posted a link to a site stating the Pros and Cons. However the Canadian caller was rather dismissive.
Doon frae Troon
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The main difference beeing that NZ are able to manage their economy without a prop up from someone else.
Oh... If only Scotland had the chance to manage it's own economy. Like Denmark, New Zealand and Norway
Remind me of the UK national debt figures again.
I saw some MSM article where something like 25% of earned taxes was being used on the drip to pay off the mass debt.
There's 194 countries in the world, and a population of 7.5 billion. You and the other musketeers aren't willing to look beyond 27 countries and 740 million people.
Less tilting at windmills required?
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