Sir Nigel Farage?

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delc said:
For the record, aviation in Europe is controlled by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and our Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) is now subservient to EASA. As long as some sort of negotiated agreement with the EU is achieved, then this arrangement will probably continue. The rules that cover commercial flights between existing EU countries are covered by the European Single Skies Act. If we just crash out of the EU (no pun intended) then our British registered Civil and Commercial aircraft probably won't be allowed to fly outside of British airspace!
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You're embarrassing yourself now
 
delc said:
Why? I am a qualified pilot and gliding instructor, and have to deal with this stuff all of the time!
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So you should know that the aviation authorities within Europe have nothing to do with the EU and the UK aren't actually leaving Europe - just the EU.

Any rules and laws for flying around Europe are between countries of Europe not the EU
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So you should know that the aviation authorities within Europe have nothing to do with the EU and the UK aren't actually leaving Europe - just the EU.

Any rules and laws for flying around Europe are between countries of Europe not the EU
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EASA is an EU department, but regulates aviation in some countries that are not EU members. The original purpose of EASA was to allow certification of Airbuses in all European countries without each National Aviation Authority having to certify them separately, but it has since grown like Topsy to control all aviation matters in Europe. As a pilot and part owner of several aircraft it is the bane of my life. It seems to run on the principle that no aircraft can fly until the weight of associated paperwork exceeds its maximum take off weight. An annual inspection used to be just to get a certified aircraft engineer to look over the aircraft, and if he was satisfied he signed a simple form that was sent to the CAA or the BGA. Now you have to fill in reams of almost incomprehensible forms!
 
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I've been working with NATS lately... I'll tell them that they should cancel the project as there'll be no flights in or out of the Uk post Brexit. Mmm does he really have a pilots licence or he'd know more about the regs?

Back at Farage... a guy on Radio 4 called him an opportunist yesterday. Made me smile... love or hate him, it's not as if he jumped on a bandwagon is it. ....
 
IanM said:
Hang on... I'm flying to the USA on Friday....they are not in the EU... will I have to swim back?
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No problem with the US (unless you are a Muslim from certain countries) because they are regulated by the FAA. On the EASA thing, I hope and assume that we will remain members of that and contribute to Eurocontrol, but this is not certain. Of course the simplest thing to do is just to remain in the EU, but I suppose that would be too easy! 🙄
 
delc said:
EASA is an EU department, but regulates aviation in some countries that are not EU members. The original purpose of EASA was to allow certification of Airbuses in all European countries without each National Aviation Authority having to certify them separately, but it has since grown like Topsy to control all aviation matters in Europe. As a pilot and part owner of several aircraft it is the bane of my life. It seems to run on the principle that no aircraft can fly until the weight of associated paperwork exceeds its maximum take off weight. An annual inspection used to be just to get a certified aircraft engineer to look over the aircraft, and if he was satisfied he signed a simple form that was sent to the CAA or the BGA. Now you have to fill in reams of almost incomprehensible forms!
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And yet, after all this EU induced burocracy you still want to stay in?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What makes you think the bureaucracy will be less given that aircraft will still be flying from the UK to EU27 airports?
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It is more to do with the EU taking something pretty simple, and adding a lot of time wasting costly paperwork. It is too late to change it now, but is a great example of why the EU needs to be stopped.
 
murphthemog said:
It is more to do with the EU taking something pretty simple, and adding a lot of time wasting costly paperwork. It is too late to change it now, but is a great example of why the EU needs to be stopped.
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I hardly think that protecting the lives of millions of air travellers is 'time wasting costly paperwork'!

Inspection and certification standards have been improved - at least that's what I've been informed of by someone who was (now retired) intimately involved with 'inspection and certification' of airplane maintenance!

That doesn't mean that bureaucracy should be allowed to expand excessively! Though the obvious solution is to establish another chunk of bureaucracy to monitor the bureaucracy! :rolleyes:

My favourite bunker sticker is 'Lower Taxes through Less Government'!
 
delc said:
No problem with the US (unless you are a Muslim from certain countries) because they are regulated by the FAA. On the EASA thing, I hope and assume that we will remain members of that and contribute to Eurocontrol, but this is not certain. Of course the simplest thing to do is just to remain in the EU, but I suppose that would be too easy! 
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Hang on, you stated that nothing would be allowed to fly out of the UK when we were no longer a member of the EU. Are you know saying that as long as we fly west we are ok. This is getting confusing, flying to Paris is going to take hours.
 
Old Skier said:
Hang on, you stated that nothing would be allowed to fly out of the UK when we were no longer a member of the EU. Are you know saying that as long as we fly west we are ok. This is getting confusing, flying to Paris is going to take hours.
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I said that there is a possibility that we might not be able to fly to the remaining 27 countries of the EU, or even to overfly continental Europe.
 
Old Skier said:
Your obsession with the man could be seen as excessive. Most people see him as a fool, but he's a clever fool. Just move on and stay away from the radio.
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I have my doubts that most people (especially UKIP voters) see Farage as a fool. I think he has a lot of fans in UKIP and in the UKIP-minded. Though some may find it uncomfortable - I think that there are very many who voted to Leave whose thoughts and beliefs reflect what he spouts. And it is unfortunate that he continues to be a highly visible and vocal abuser of the EU leaders and institutions.

I am not obsessed with the man - I find him ludicrous but highly entertaining - it is a pity he won't stop gloating, moaning and whinging.
 
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