Rlburnside
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As I swapped cards yesterday I signed my pps card in the clubhouse before the round, my pp told me I wasn’t allowed to do this is he correct?
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Smiffy
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That's what I was told the other week. Each marked our own cards and signed them at the end. Something to do with Covid apparently
Colin L
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The Rules do not dictate when cards have to be signed.
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We are still not swapping and signing cards. Just confirming agreement to scores I've held on to my cards with both scores until the online scores appear....just in case an anomaly.
I suspect the Welsh authorities will do something different from England l, just to be different
I suspect the Welsh authorities will do something different from England l, just to be different
@Colin L Is the signature not confirming the score on the card? If you haven't played yet, how do you know what will be on the card at the end is correct? Makes signing a nonsense doesn't it? Another weird one.
chellie
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Cards shouldn't be swapped. Well, we are not allowed to.
rulefan
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This is the advice from CONGU
https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/RulesAdvice/Return-of-Acceptable-Scores-WHS.pdf
Colin L
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I'm answering this outwith the context of Covid regulations.
Many would regard pre-signing a card as marker or player as bad practice, but it isn't prohibited. The rules are concerned only with what is on the card when it is returned. As a marker, the player's card is in your possession. You confirm his score at the end of each hole and write it down. At the end of the round you check it and hand it over, signed to show that you have certified the score. You know what is on the card is correct because you put it there and have checked it with the player. If you signed it before the game started to make sure you didn't forget at the end, what difference does it make?
Rlburnside
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That’s all I needed to know, thanks
Rlburnside
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We have been at level zero for months cards swapped,flags out, rakes back and handshakes after round. ?
jim8flog
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I know all the guys I play with sign our cards before hand at the same time as we put the markers name on it.
As per Colin with regards to the actual rules.
Having read the July 19 Guidelines I see it still allows us to mark our our own cards (it is may not must) and I am going to suggest to or committee we remain doing thus.
Markers do not handle the card at all at present but unsure if the July 19 guideline means they have to sign now.
As per Colin with regards to the actual rules.
Having read the July 19 Guidelines I see it still allows us to mark our our own cards (it is may not must) and I am going to suggest to or committee we remain doing thus.
Markers do not handle the card at all at present but unsure if the July 19 guideline means they have to sign now.
Thanks, interesting. I've never heard of this before ?
Colin L
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Apart from the first two (italicised) sentences, neither had I.
. I'd never had to think it it through like that before.
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NearHull
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I may not have understood the OP correctly, but I believe that the markers signature signifies that the marker has verified the players score.
If I was marking a card and the player and I disputed the score, I wouldn’t sign it .
If I was marking a card and the player and I disputed the score, I wouldn’t sign it .
Colin L
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That's right and if you had signed the card before the round you'd just have to score out your signature before handing the card back to the player.
Rlburnside
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You understand me correctly I normally never do this and I can see your point but in 40 odd years of golf that situation has never happened to me, but it could ?
wjemather
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Rule 3.3: "After the round, the player and the marker (who keeps the player’s score) must certify that the player’s score for each hole is right and the player must return the scorecard to the Committee."
Most would probably regard signing the card as the act of certifying, in which case the rules clearly state that it should be done after the round, not before (or during). By extension, it could be argued that no certification has been done when a card is signed before any scores have been entered.
Colin L
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Most probably would, but the Rules do not even state the signing should be done after the round never mind that it must be. Moreover, the Rules don 't even require a signature.
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wjemather
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It would be an interesting one for the committee if they became aware of cards being signed in advance and there was no evidence of certification after the round.
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salfordlad
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If the players, having signed their cards before the round, follow the normal process of checking after the round that they have gotten consistent answers on the scores and they have no disagreements, then they have "certified" the scores as required by 3.3b. The rules do not preclude the physical signing of the card occurring before the round but that alone would not constitute "certifying" as required by the rules in the absence of a post final hole confirmation (which can be oral) that all is correct for submitting. There is no rules-based requirement for further 'evidence' of certification - if a Committee has any doubt about whether it occurred, they would need to ask the players - did you affirm after the round that the scores were correct?
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