Should those in the public eye resign for breaking lockdown rules?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I would think household covers all the buildings on the property.
So he broke the recommendations then his father called the police to make sure he was safe.
Safe from who? The public by the looks of it, you couldn’t make this up it’s really poor from Cummings.

I smile as I recollect once when working on a very secure government service I had to pull up a team for regular breaches of security - unfortunately the email that I sent round itself breached security rules and so I had to report myself to security and take the ticking off ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Did he actually meet his parents? I thought he was in a separate house.

The whole premise of the trip was to go to his parents so that they could look after their son if he followed his wife and contracted the virus as well.

So, in the car is his wife with a highly aggressive virus. They then put their son in that car with them, enclosed for the 4 hour journey to his parents. Pretty good chance all, 3 arrive contracted with the disease, that is assuming they didn't all start with it, only 1 showing symptoms though. If Cummings and his wife came down with the virus, they both did, and became incapacitated, don't think they did in the end, then the parents would have been expected to look after the child, the whole point of the journey. The child, likely to be a carrier at this point, is then being looked after by elderly people in the vulnerable group.

The above description is a logical conclusion of their plan. I have no idea if they did mix, whether they stayed entirely separate but without question they took covid with them to a place that didn't have it and had the parents been required, after all the whole point of the trip, then they would have been put at risk.

 

[North Mimms]

The last sentence is the critical part that people may well forget in a rush to prove a point. Cummings put his parents at risk by going up there, apart from members of the general public potentially. If people rush to see their parents and inlaws in order to "show the govt" then what they are actually doing is putting them at risk. Don't be as stupid or selfish as Cummings, protect your elderly relatives still.

Cummings defence is using his instincts.
My instinct tells me to not to rush round and see all my friends and relatives

 

[North Mimms]

The whole premise of the trip was to go to his parents so that they could look after their son if he followed his wife and contracted the virus as well.

So, in the car is his wife with a highly aggressive virus. They then put their son in that car with them, enclosed for the 4 hour journey to his parents. Pretty good chance all, 3 arrive contracted with the disease, that is assuming they didn't all start with it, only 1 showing symptoms though. If Cummings and his wife came down with the virus, they both did, and became incapacitated, don't think they did in the end, then the parents would have been expected to look after the child, the whole point of the journey. The child, likely to be a carrier at this point, is then being looked after by elderly people in the vulnerable group.

The above description is a logical conclusion of their plan. I have no idea if they did mix, whether they stayed entirely separate but without question they took covid with them to a place that didn't have it and had the parents been required, after all the whole point of the trip, then they would have been put at risk.

I think the plan was for his sister in Durham, not his parents, to assist

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think the plan was for his sister in Durham, not his parents, to assist

Fair enough. By being on the parents farm whilst knowingly infected he is still increasing their risk though. It is not a risk I would have taken with my mum.

This is all on top of everything else.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I think the plan was for his sister in Durham, not his parents, to assist

Could be. As I say, some believe this, some believe that.
I strongly believe that they were taking the son to be looked after be someone else. I think it would be the sister. I cannot see that he would take his son to be in the same company as his parents. He would have known the son was a likely carrier at least. Most likely infected, though mildly.
So it would be daft to put in same company as his parents.
His sister must have agreed to the risk , though if she was to look after him.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not sure you understood what I was saying there. Which was
Cummings and wife in London home with son, according to rules, shouldn't move from there for some days, nor receive visitors. At the time he made his decision he considered the possibility that both he and wife could become incapacitated, I.e the virus affect them seriously.
There could be a possibility that the child became alone in the flat with two very ill parents.
Rather than wait to see if that happened, most parents would try to make arrangements for the child to be elsewhere, yes?

You have forced your point, we all get it.

Question I have to ask you is why was it covered up, if he had grounds as Johnson has repeatedly said, why not let everyone know.
What were they afraid of, Johnson must have known of Cummings movements at the end of March. Why did Cummings wife not mention their move in her scribblings
People may have disagreed if the Tory Party had been upfront about it but perhaps they would have understood.

 

[patricks148]

Not sure you understood what I was saying there. Which was
Cummings and wife in London home with son, according to rules, shouldn't move from there for some days, nor receive visitors. At the time he made his decision he considered the possibility that both he and wife could become incapacitated, I.e the virus affect them seriously.
There could be a possibility that the child became alone in the flat with two very ill parents.
Rather than wait to see if that happened, most parents would try to make arrangements for the child to be elsewhere, yes?

They don't live in a flat its a 3 story town house and i believe they also employ a nanny

 

[Imurg]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264885127970250753

 

[SocketRocket]

Should Stephen Kinnock and Tahir Ali who are both MPs resign over breaking the lockdown rules and why are they not recieving the same level of media attention as Cummings

 

[Beezerk]

I'm now just waiting for football clubs to sack all the players who broke the lockdown rules...

That was a joke btw before anyone jumps down my throat

 

[clubchamp98]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264885127970250753

That could be a Prince Andrew moment!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Should Stephen Kinnock and Tahir Ali who are both MPs resign over breaking the lockdown rules and why are they not recieving the same level of media attention as Cummings

Yes, along with the tory MP’s who broke the rules and politicians from any other party as well.
This isn’t a Labour v tory issue as some would like to make out.
One further question do Kinnock or Ali have any say in Government policy?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Not sure you understood what I was saying there. Which was
Cummings and wife in London home with son, according to rules, shouldn't move from there for some days, nor receive visitors. At the time he made his decision he considered the possibility that both he and wife could become incapacitated, I.e the virus affect them seriously.
There could be a possibility that the child became alone in the flat with two very ill parents.
Rather than wait to see if that happened, most parents would try to make arrangements for the child to be elsewhere, yes?

So by that logic, seeing as at the time of the journey only 1 parent had it, as soon as anyone gets it, if they have children, they have the right to drive where they want to?

I am sure most parents would want to do what he did. It's just that we were all being told to stay at home and isolate.

 

[North Mimms]

I'm having such fun with this meme generator

 

[User20205]

Should Stephen Kinnock and Tahir Ali who are both MPs resign over breaking the lockdown rules and why are they not recieving the same level of media attention as Cummings

It’s all a game of political football. The political class & the media are happy to carry on whilst (mainly) ignoring the economic tidal wave that will hit in 6-8 weeks. I’m of the same view as in the Scottish case, if him being in place is the best for the country he should stay. If not, he shouldn’t be there anyway.
The lockdown seems to have been ambiguous enough to give some justification for his actions

 

[rosecott]

I have no absolute knowledge of the events that took place involving Cummings and his family as, like everyone else, I rely on our media to keep me informed. What really makes me very uneasy is the widespread "lynch mob" attitude surrounding the issue.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Cummings to make a statement this pm and answer questions.
I take it the 'taking questions' bit means he is not resigning.

 

[Grant85]

I don't think breaking lockdown is a resignation issue in itself if it's minor or in part justifiable.

The situation with Calderwood was she made an apology and might have clung on, had it not emerged she had made a 2nd trip.

Personally everyone deserves a second chance, but she burned hers by taking the same action on consecutive weekends.

In Cummings case, I feel this is a far more serious breach given he travelled while showing symptoms. Possibly infecting petrol stations and service stations toilets en route, as well as emergency workers and first res-ponders in the event of an accident (unlikely, but more likely if you have Coronavirus).

The situation of 'moving to get child care for his son' but then claiming he stayed in a separate property to his parents seems bizarre and hard to believe. If that's the case, it seems barely worth moving. He surely had friends and family in London who could have taken the son, or driven him to Durham, if they really were both hospitalised or unable to provide basic care for a 4 year old.

And of course the other stories that there was a day trip to Barnard Castle and he was possibly out walking in the woods when he should have been in isolation and also made a return trip mid-April all stack up against him.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It’s all a game of political football. The political class & the media are happy to carry on whilst (mainly) ignoring the economic tidal wave that will hit in 6-8 weeks. I’m of the same view as in the Scottish case, if him being in place is the best for the country he should stay. If not, he shouldn’t be there anyway.
The lockdown seems to have been ambiguous enough to give some justification for his actions

The Scottish case revolved around the fact that no one would take Calderwoods advice seriously in any future statements.
Same applies to Cummings IMO