Should the Masters be a Major

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murphthemog said:
Why don't we know the front nine that well though? Oh, I remember, they wouldn't let the tv show it for years and years, and it's not as pretty, or memorable. Jumped up idiots in Blazers running major comps, and dictating to the public what they can and cannot watch.

It sends out such a good message about the inclusiveness of golf as a sport.
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Agreed.
I can picture every hole on the back 9 as I've seen them dozens and dozens of times over the years...
I can picture the 2nd hole, mainly due to Louis's albatross and PhillyMick and the leaf on the line but that's all...can't picture 1 or 3-9 at all...
 
murphthemog said:
Why don't we know the front nine that well though? Oh, I remember, they wouldn't let the tv show it for years and years, and it's not as pretty, or memorable. Jumped up idiots in Blazers running major comps, and dictating to the public what they can and cannot watch.

It sends out such a good message about the inclusiveness of golf as a sport.
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Fair comment I'd like to see more of the front 9 too but how many holes on the front 9 at TOC can you remember, having not played there not many for me but can recall the finishing stretch .
 
It's the first thing that should change

As with all the over the majors

There should be wall to wall coverage from the first tee shot to the last shot

Only hole I can recall on the front 9 is the one Louis got an eagle on
 
Imurg said:
Agreed.
I can picture every hole on the back 9 as I've seen them dozens and dozens of times over the years...
I can picture the 2nd hole, mainly due to Louis's albatross and PhillyMick and the leaf on the line but that's all...can't picture 1 or 3-9 at all...
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Thing is, it's their comp and it's their rules. I can remember reading that the reason they don't show much of the front 9 (till Sunday) is also due to making it seem more exclusive to the people there and also creating an air of mystery for the viewers. Whereas some may not like it, I think this is a great idea and it works. How many people have Augusta at the top of their bucket list?

As for the other holes on the front 9, 4, 6, 7 & 8 are all stand out holes which are given quite a bit of coverage. It's really only 1, 2 & 3 that they don't show too much of. I will guarantee you'll remember them when you see them.
 
Their comp, their rules, but it's a major? No, that's plain wrong. They need to be told, in no uncertain terms to allow wall to wall coverage.

Would you be happy if they limited the coverage to just the 18th, on Friday only? No. It should never be their rules.
 
murphthemog said:
Their comp, their rules, but it's a major? No, that's plain wrong. They need to be told, in no uncertain terms to allow wall to wall coverage.

Would you be happy if they limited the coverage to just the 18th, on Friday only? No. It should never be their rules.
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Wrong? No it's not. It's their comp! This a club synonymous with have strict rules which have been around for longer than there has even been a concept of a "major" and are now classed as tradition.

Do you actually think that the Masters belongs to the people? That there there is some underlying right that you have to be able to watch wall to wall coverage? You are living in a dream world if that's the case.

This is a conscious decision that Augusta have made and I think they have it right. It keeps the mystique of the place and the tournament going.
 
No.

its a comp run by and exclusive members club with its own agenda. its only been going since the 30's so its not that long, so not even a historical comp like the others.

No reason it can't be on the tour , but def not a major.
 
Duckster said:
Wrong? No it's not. It's their comp! This a club synonymous with have strict rules which have been around for longer than there has even been a concept of a "major" and are now classed as tradition.

Do you actually think that the Masters belongs to the people? That there there is some underlying right that you have to be able to watch wall to wall coverage? You are living in a dream world if that's the case.

This is a conscious decision that Augusta have made and I think they have it right. It keeps the mystique of the place and the tournament going.
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The problem for me is golf needs to show itself to more opening to more people - all the big major sporting events are showed to whole world wall to wall so people don't miss anything - they get to see the whole excitement and maybe be grabbed by it - youngsters watch it then go and recreate something with their mates.

With the Masters the coverage is limited , they send out a message that says - we aren't going to open up to everyone and you get what we decide - imagine if they did that in Tennis and people only got to see the last two sets of a final or semi etc or you only saw the second half of the World Cup final etc

The sport is supposed to be open to all and trying to show the world that it isn't full of stuffy old men being restrictive to the rest of the world - The Masters right now counters that
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Only hole I can recall on the front 9 is the one Louis got an eagle on
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Seriously the only hole - so you can't remember the dog leg par 4 9th which goes down hill at the dogleg then steeply up hill so that the ball can spin off the front of the green (Greg Norman), or the 8th par 5 up hill with a big bunker on the right hand side of the fairway at about 300 yrds with a dog leg at the end with big banks around the green, or the 7th a really straight par 4 with a green surrounded by bunkers and heavily sloped front to back, the Par 3 6th with a big slope in the green and big deep bunker short right and a funny shaped green like a pinched in triangle, or the 5 th a dog leg left par 4 with bunkers on the left hand side of the fairway, or the downhill par 3 4th with its heavily bunkered green, or the 3rd an almost drivable par 4 with a ridiculous sloping fast little green that the pros can get too close to from the tee so a lot of them use a long iron which brings a couple of bunkers into play, or the heavily down hill par 5 second which doglegs viciously to the left and has a small triangular green with big bunkers leaving a really small entrance to the green, or the first a fairly innocuous par 4 dog leg to the right with a couple of bunkers at the dogleg on the right hand side of the fairway and a green that Tiger hit a 15ft putt that finished off the green the first time he played in a competitive round.

Or were you just trying to make a point that didnt exist.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The problem for me is golf needs to show itself to more opening to more people - all the big major sporting events are showed to whole world wall to wall so people don't miss anything - they get to see the whole excitement and maybe be grabbed by it - youngsters watch it then go and recreate something with their mates.

With the Masters the coverage is limited , they send out a message that says - we aren't going to open up to everyone and you get what we decide - imagine if they did that in Tennis and people only got to see the last two sets of a final or semi etc or you only saw the second half of the World Cup final etc

The sport is supposed to be open to all and trying to show the world that it isn't full of stuffy old men being restrictive to the rest of the world - The Masters right now counters that
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Re the bit in bold, you see every shot of the leaders last couple of rounds don't you?

I know when McIlroy blew up a few years back I watched him tee off the 1st.

The coverage could be more on the first couple of days, but then you couldn't see all the golf from the rearranged final day of the Open last year (and not sure they're ever on live for the back markers starting on the weekend?)
 
And yet despite missing parts of the coverage it still has over double the amount of viewers than any of the other 3 Majors in the US. 14.2m watched The Masters in the US last year, 6.7m watched the US Open and PGA Championship. I think they have it spot on, whatever they're doing is working great.
 
freddielong said:
Seriously the only hole - so you can't remember the dog leg par 4 9th which goes down hill at the dogleg then steeply up hill so that the ball can spin off the front of the green (Greg Norman), or the 8th par 5 up hill with a big bunker on the right hand side of the fairway at about 300 yrds with a dog leg at the end with big banks around the green, or the 7th a really straight par 4 with a green surrounded by bunkers and heavily sloped front to back, the Par 3 6th with a big slope in the green and big deep bunker short right and a funny shaped green like a pinched in triangle, or the 5 th a dog leg left par 4 with bunkers on the left hand side of the fairway, or the downhill par 3 4th with its heavily bunkered green, or the 3rd an almost drivable par 4 with a ridiculous sloping fast little green that the pros can get too close to from the tee so a lot of them use a long iron which brings a couple of bunkers into play, or the heavily down hill par 5 second which doglegs viciously to the left and has a small triangular green with big bunkers leaving a really small entrance to the green, or the first a fairly innocuous par 4 dog leg to the right with a couple of bunkers at the dogleg on the right hand side of the fairway and a green that Tiger hit a 15ft putt that finished off the green the first time he played in a competitive round.

Or were you just trying to make a point that didnt exist.
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I can only ever remember on the front 9 the hole that Louis got his 2 on the par 5

Can remember the 11th onwards , can't remember the 17th though
 
freddielong said:
Seriously the only hole - so you can't remember the dog leg par 4 9th which goes down hill at the dogleg then steeply up hill so that the ball can spin off the front of the green (Greg Norman), or the 8th par 5 up hill with a big bunker on the right hand side of the fairway at about 300 yrds with a dog leg at the end with big banks around the green, or the 7th a really straight par 4 with a green surrounded by bunkers and heavily sloped front to back, the Par 3 6th with a big slope in the green and big deep bunker short right and a funny shaped green like a pinched in triangle, or the 5 th a dog leg left par 4 with bunkers on the left hand side of the fairway, or the downhill par 3 4th with its heavily bunkered green, or the 3rd an almost drivable par 4 with a ridiculous sloping fast little green that the pros can get too close to from the tee so a lot of them use a long iron which brings a couple of bunkers into play, or the heavily down hill par 5 second which doglegs viciously to the left and has a small triangular green with big bunkers leaving a really small entrance to the green, or the first a fairly innocuous par 4 dog leg to the right with a couple of bunkers at the dogleg on the right hand side of the fairway and a green that Tiger hit a 15ft putt that finished off the green the first time he played in a competitive round.

Or were you just trying to make a point that didnt exist.
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Always coverage of the top players teeing off, especially at the weekend so the first hole often shown
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The problem for me is golf needs to show itself to more opening to more people - all the big major sporting events are showed to whole world wall to wall so people don't miss anything - they get to see the whole excitement and maybe be grabbed by it - youngsters watch it then go and recreate something with their mates.

With the Masters the coverage is limited , they send out a message that says - we aren't going to open up to everyone and you get what we decide - imagine if they did that in Tennis and people only got to see the last two sets of a final or semi etc or you only saw the second half of the World Cup final etc

The sport is supposed to be open to all and trying to show the world that it isn't full of stuffy old men being restrictive to the rest of the world - The Masters right now counters that
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Haven't you specifically said (in this thread) that golf shouldn't compare itself to other sports? So surely that point is irrelevant to you?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The problem for me is golf needs to show itself to more opening to more people - all the big major sporting events are showed to whole world wall to wall so people don't miss anything - they get to see the whole excitement and maybe be grabbed by it - youngsters watch it then go and recreate something with their mates.

With the Masters the coverage is limited , they send out a message that says - we aren't going to open up to everyone and you get what we decide - imagine if they did that in Tennis and people only got to see the last two sets of a final or semi etc or you only saw the second half of the World Cup final etc

The sport is supposed to be open to all and trying to show the world that it isn't full of stuffy old men being restrictive to the rest of the world - The Masters right now counters that
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Do you get to see every court at Wimbledon? Or just a select few?

People may look at the Masters and think its not doing golf any good, however I suspect that the viewing figures counteract that. People who know nothing about golf have heard of the Masters, know what a Green Jacket represents.

Personally I simply do not see anything wrong with the way that The Masters do things. I think they are adapting nicely (they didn't show any of the front 9 at all till about the 90's!) and are IMHO leading the way with their online set up and apps and social media coverage. It is like the rest of The Masters, it's done very well.

The media love the place, the "patrons" (granted I hate that) love the place, they nicely escort people from the premises if they are caught shouting stuff out.

For me, there's also the "Joycie effect". My mum (Joyce) will probably watch the last bit of The Open, however she'll happily sit through all 4 days of the Masters.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but think each sport should be treated in its own way - don't think it's comparable across different sports especially when the make up is so different

As I said I believe the fields would balance themselves out and events would find their standing
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Yep, thought so. So as the make up of the sport is so different it isnt comparable. So why later compare it to other sports?

Edit: Just seen your post above - fair enough for accepting this, lets move on!
 
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