Serena Williams - Disgraceful

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bobmac said:
I don't follow tennis so I don't know, but can anyone tell me if Serena Williams behaved like this when she first came on tour?
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Without excusing her current behaviour, you’d have to maybe read what both Williams sisters went through just to get on to the Tennis circuit initially before getting on to the tour, barriers for whatever reasons were put in their way.
She’s certainly had plenty of outbursts in the past, but again, I would say there aren’t many of the world’s top tennis players both male and female who haven’t.
 
bobmac said:
I don't follow tennis so I don't know, but can anyone tell me if Serena Williams behaved like this when she first came on tour?
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She has had multiple issues on tour mainly when she is losing

A number at the US Open

This is one incident when she abused a line judge


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/USA/2009/0913/p02s01-usgn.html

She said to the line judge that she was going to shove a tennis ball down her throat - obviously using swear words for effect

Then there was the Capriati incident and couple years back she also lost it with an umpire in the Final against Stosur

Plus many other incidents on the regular tour

She is a spoilt brat who thinks she can bully people to get her own way
 
Liverpoolphil said:
She has had multiple issues on tour mainly when she is losing

A number at the US Open

This is one incident when she abused a line judge


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/USA/2009/0913/p02s01-usgn.html

She said to the line judge that she was going to shove a tennis ball down her throat - obviously using swear words for effect

Then there was the Capriati incident and couple years back she also lost it with an umpire in the Final against Stosur

Plus many other incidents on the regular tour

She is a spoilt brat who thinks she can bully people to get her own way
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That’s not answering his question though, that’s just you pushing your agenda.
 
Beezerk said:
Not really, he’s showing how she has a tendency to get abusive and aggressive when she’s losing in big games.
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None of those examples are from when she FIRST came on the tour, which was what Bob asked.
 
pauldj42 said:
None of those examples are from when she FIRST came on the tour, which was what Bob asked.
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Yeah I see that but Phil’s post is still relevant as it shows she has a history of it. Maybe Bobs question should have been on the lines of “has she always been like this or has it only recently crept into her game”.
 
Beezerk said:
Yeah I see that but Phil’s post is still relevant as it shows she has a history of it. Maybe Bobs question should have been on the lines of “has she always been like this or has it only recently crept into her game”.
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Maybe Bob could send you his posts before posting, that way we can ensure your happy with what he meant to say. ;)
 
Beezerk said:
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I’m fairness to Phil I imagine it would be very hard to find clips of a very young serena when she was a nobody so maybe we’ll never know the answer.
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Or maybe in fairness to Williams, maybe she didn’t. :unsure:
 
pauldj42 said:
Or maybe in fairness to Williams, maybe she didn’t. :unsure:
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If that’s true, then surely this outburst is worse?

You mentioned earlier about having to understand her past and how hard it was to break through (which I agree with). But generally youngsters are forgiven due to what you mention. So if it wasn’t in her character back then, then it can only logically be reasoned that she did now (and on other recent occasions) due to a growing level of arrogance, and ot in fact due to a hard life.
 
Papas1982 said:
If that’s true, then surely this outburst is worse?

You mentioned earlier about having to understand her past and how hard it was to break through (which I agree with). But generally youngsters are forgiven due to what you mention. So if it wasn’t in her character back then, then it can only logically be reasoned that she did now (and on other recent occasions) due to a growing level of arrogance, and ot in fact due to a hard life.
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Were have I supported her recent outburst? It was disgraceful.
Not the first, male or female, top sports person to behave this way and certainly not the last
 
pauldj42 said:
Were have I supported her recent outburst? It was disgraceful.
Not the first, male or female, top sports person to behave this way and certainly not the last
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pauldj42 said:
Without excusing her current behaviour, you’d have to maybe read what both Williams sisters went through just to get on to the Tennis circuit initially before getting on to the tour, barriers for whatever reasons were put in their way.
She’s certainly had plenty of outbursts in the past, but again, I would say there aren’t many of the world’s top tennis players both male and female who haven’t.
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I didn’t say you supported her. I’m pretty sure you’ve said plenty of times already that you didn’t agree with the outburst.

But I was referring to the above. In referencing her past, it could be argued as a defence for her outburst, which as I said would be understandable if she had a history of them as a youngster, Except when she broke through she didn’t. Meaning her past is irrelevant when it comes to her current arrogance and distasteful outbursts. Just like it does for other stars when they do it to.
 
Papas1982 said:
I didn’t say you supported her. I’m pretty sure you’ve said plenty of times already that you didn’t agree with the outburst.

But I was referring to the above. In referencing her past, it could be argued as a defence for her outburst, which as I said would be understandable if she had a history of them as a youngster, Except when she broke through she didn’t. Meaning her past is irrelevant when it comes to her current arrogance and distasteful outbursts. Just like it does for other stars when they do it to.
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Or because of what she had to fight against, and may think still fighting, she’s had enough and is now strong enough to question what she perceives as inequality.
 
pauldj42 said:
Or because of what she had to fight against, and may think still fighting, she’s had enough and is now strong enough to question what she perceives as inequality.
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If she’d behaved during the match and then come out and complained I may go along with that. But her actions didn’t appear to me to be someone strong and in control. Reason wasn’t in her mind when she did it. She lost it plain and simple.
Also, the struggles she faced when getting into tennis will I’d imagine most lie have been against Racism, I doubt sexism is a barrier to women’s tennis, just further reasons why imo, her past has little to do with this and her other outbursts.

The bit in bold is my main issue, just because she thinks that. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
 
Papas1982 said:
If she’d behaved during the match and then come out and complained I may go along with that. But her actions didn’t appear to me to be someone strong and in control. Reason wasn’t in her mind when she did it. She lost it plain and simple.

The bit in bold is my main issue, just because she thinks that. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
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She wasn’t fighting on any side of equality in her rants and action on the court - she was fighting for herself and attempting to bully the umpires. She on the court when the incidents happen is only interested in her own gain ( which there is nothing wrong with ) so when she has had her appalling outbursts for me it’s arrogance in regards in terms of she believes her standing the game gives her special treatment and is above the rules

Any explainations of equality etc get ruined when she abuses the female line judge
 
Papas1982 said:
If she’d behaved during the match and then come out and complained I may go along with that. But her actions didn’t appear to me to be someone strong and in control. Reason wasn’t in her mind when she did it. She lost it plain and simple.
Also, the struggles she faced when getting into tennis will I’d imagine most lie have been against Racism, I doubt sexism is a barrier to women’s tennis, just further reasons why imo, her past has little to do with this and her other outbursts.

The bit in bold is my main issue, just because she thinks that. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
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Of course sexism has been a barrier, how many years did they fight for equality, why was the player done for changing her top?
She never claimed any racism recently, but she certainly claimed inequality, just like the PL and Refs association support our football officials even when they are wrong, there’s no surprise in tennis when they support their own.
The Umpire could of calmed the situation, could of acted differently, just as much as she could of done a lot things differently, it’s been proven the same Umpire has shown inconsistency when being ranted at.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but lets remember the final straw came in arguably the biggest womens Tennis match in the world and the match penalty came at 4-3 down to make it 5-3 in the 2nd set.
We now have reports of Officials threatening to boycott her future matches, why didn’t they do the same to Nadal who in 2017 told the same umpire he’d never chair another one of his matches, and, upto now the authorities have agreed to Nadal’s wishes.
 
pauldj42 said:
Of course sexism has been a barrier, how many years did they fight for equality, why was the player done for changing her top?
She never claimed any racism recently, but she certainly claimed inequality, just like the PL and Refs association support our football officials even when they are wrong, there’s no surprise in tennis when they support their own.
The Umpire could of calmed the situation, could of acted differently, just as much as she could of done a lot things differently, it’s been proven the same Umpire has shown inconsistency when being ranted at.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but lets remember the final straw came in arguably the biggest womens Tennis match in the world and the match penalty came at 4-3 down to make it 5-3 in the 2nd set.
We now have reports of Officials threatening to boycott her future matches, why didn’t they do the same to Nadal who in 2017 told the same umpire he’d never chair another one of his matches, and, upto now the authorities have agreed to Nadal’s wishes.
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The top change incident has been covered, one issue doesn’t show institutionalised sexism. The only real equality battle that’s gone on has been over money, something which imo has the men being penalised as the women’s game doesn’t generate as much, so prize money shouldn’t be equal.

When the penalty came is also a mute point, the umpire can’t be blamed for when she decides to have a tantrum.

There’s no point us keep going round in circles though. As far as I’m concerend there is no defence for her actions.
So I’ll step aside now as this conversation seems to have been had a few times on here already.

Re Nadal getting special treatment. Let’s see if this umpire chairs another of Williams games before we decide it’s only the men who get that special treatment though.
 
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