Sentinalese kill ‘missionary’

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
No - praying is not a waste of time - for many of faith what God does not do is such as physically 'leap in and protect him'.

Yes - his faith got him killed. That's how it has always been - the thing about having faith being that things don't always work out as you'd hope. But that's the price to pay for having a faith. Sometimes the price paid is very high - sometimes the price paid is insignificant.

Mr Chau paid the ultimate price
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Praying is about as effective as writing a letter to Santa!.......

I think that all three of the Abrahamic monotheisms are, broadly speaking, the same religion. All three feature an aggressively male deity who will send you to Hell for an eternity of punishment for breaking one of his petty rules. All three of these belief systems – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – are belligerent, violent and anti-human. But having said that if it’s your own belief and you do not try to force it in others then crack on...
 
It always makes me laugh when a millionaire football player thanks god when his team win a match. Really? It had nothing to do with your team mates, your tactics, the fact that your team cost a bazillion pounds and your opponents herd sheep for a living, luck, what ever. Yep, if there is a god, he is listening to you, rather than solve aids in Africa.
 
Fade and Die said:
Praying is about as effective as writing a letter to Santa!.......

I think that all three of the Abrahamic monotheisms are, broadly speaking, the same religion. All three feature an aggressively male deity who will send you to Hell for an eternity of punishment for breaking one of his petty rules. All three of these belief systems – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – are belligerent, violent and anti-human. But having said that if it’s your own belief and you do not try to force it in others then crack on...
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In your opinion. And btw - not all Christian churches and denominations are or believe this
 
pokerjoke said:
It depends what you pray for.
If you pray for a man in the sky to save you then yes imo it is.
If you pray because it makes you feel better then that’s your prerogative.
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There is a lot more to prayer than your two 'If you pray...'

But if you don't believe in it or use it then that needn't bother you (though oddly enough I think the vast majority of people do actually pray from time to time, even although they wouldn't think of what they are doing as prayer)
 
Fade and Die said:
Praying is about as effective as writing a letter to Santa!.......

I think that all three of the Abrahamic monotheisms are, broadly speaking, the same religion. All three feature an aggressively male deity who will send you to Hell for an eternity of punishment for breaking one of his petty rules. All three of these belief systems – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – are belligerent, violent and anti-human. But having said that if it’s your own belief and you do not try to force it in others then crack on...
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Yeah but one of them gives you 40 virgins! Where do I sign up? 😂
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
In your opinion. And btw - not all Christian churches and denominations are or believe this
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What I don't understand is.......
If you believe in god and the bible is the word of god, how can you pick and choose which bits to believe.
Is it ok to follow the good bits but ignore the bad stuff?
Choose the 'love your neighbour' and 'don't kill' but ignore the talking snake and stoning adulterers?

Did Noah really build a big boat, water into wine, slavery, heaven and hell, Pascal's wager, the earth was created 6,000 years ago, stoning homosexuals, etc etc.

And secondly, if there is so much confusion about which religion is the right one, shouldn't god/jesus came back to earth and give us the truth?
It would save a lot of wars and killing.

Thirdly, if homosexuality is an abomination, and should be executed (Leviticus 20:13) why are the homosexual priests covered up/hidden by their bishops?

There are many more questions I could ask.

drive4show said:
Yeah but one of them gives you 40 virgins! Where do I sign up? 😂
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Don't forget, you'd get 40 mother-in-laws as well.
 
bobmac said:
What I don't understand is.......
If you believe in god and the bible is the word of god, how can you pick and choose which bits to believe.
Is it ok to follow the good bits but ignore the bad stuff?
Choose the 'love your neighbour' and 'don't kill' but ignore the talking snake and stoning adulterers?

Did Noah really build a big boat, water into wine, slavery, heaven and hell, Pascal's wager, the earth was created 6,000 years ago, stoning homosexuals, etc etc.

And secondly, if there is so much confusion about which religion is the right one, shouldn't god/jesus came back to earth and give us the truth?
It would save a lot of wars and killing.

Thirdly, if homosexuality is an abomination, and should be executed (Leviticus 20:13) why are the homosexual priests covered up/hidden by their bishops?

There are many more questions I could ask.



Don't forget, you'd get 40 mother-in-laws as well.
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It's quite simple really. What is written in The Bible was written in the context of the time it was written - and much of what is recorded in the New Testament is to help understanding and interpreting what was written on the OT in the context of the teachings of Christ (and yes - Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus). And so in my denomination that is what we do.

I do smile rather when those who do not believe in any of what is written, tell me that I can't believe in something they don't believe in because I don't take literally all of what is written...

Well sorry. I can.
 
bobmac said:
Shame, I was hoping for some answers.
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No point in trying to explain to someone who does not understand Christian faith...:)

We do not have to believe literally every word of the Bible. Much of what Christ taught, and is written and expanded upon in the NT, was explaining what was written in the books of the OT - especially of the prophets - and framing what was written in the context of what he said is of ultimate importance to us all and how we should live our lives - and that is love and forgiveness.

Now if you think that is all a load of tosh then that is fine. But don't tell me that I can't have a Christian faith unless I believe every word written in the Bible. That's a bit like one of the forums Rules Experts telling a new golfer that he can't play and enjoy golf until he understands fully every rule of golf.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
No point in trying to explain to someone who does not understand Christian faith...:)
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1 Peter 3:15?

I understand christian faith got John Chau killed.


SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But don't tell me that I can't have a Christian faith unless I believe every word written in the Bible.
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I didn't, I asked how you choose which bits to believe.

It always seems to me that religious people take the good stuff literally and the bad stuff metaphorically.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But don't tell me that I can't have a Christian faith unless I believe every word written in the Bible. That's a bit like one of the forums Rules Experts telling a new golfer that he can't play and enjoy golf until he understands fully every rule of golf.
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A new golfer doesn’t have to believe in the rules, only learn, understand and follow them.
Surely you as a Christian must believe what’s written in the bible, unless of course you’re a Jehovahs Witness and pick and choose what you want to believe?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
A new golfer doesn’t have to believe in the rules, only learn, understand and follow them.
Surely you as a Christian must believe what’s written in the bible, unless of course you’re a Jehovahs Witness and pick and choose what you want to believe?
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Why should I believe every word? Where does it say that to have a Christian belief I must believe literally everything that is written in the Bible. Some denominations might teach that - but there are many, many flavours of Christian denomination. Not for nothing are there more than one flavour of church in most towns and villages. That some evangelicals like Chau may take a literalist approach and from that determine how they might bear witness to their faith does not mean that all must do likewise.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
A new golfer doesn’t have to believe in the rules, only learn, understand and follow them.
Surely you as a Christian must believe what’s written in the bible, unless of course you’re a Jehovahs Witness and pick and choose what you want to believe?
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I think you have to believe that the rules are the rules and that when you are told that you have to adhere strictly to the rules then you have to believe what you have been told. That I might know nothing about the rules of golf does not put me in a strong position to disagree with or correct one of our forums 'Rulies'. I can try - but I suspect that most of the time I might get short shrift...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's quite simple really. What is written in The Bible was written in the context of the time it was written - and much of what is recorded in the New Testament is to help understanding and interpreting what was written on the OT in the context of the teachings of Christ (and yes - Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus). And so in my denomination that is what we do.

I do smile rather when those who do not believe in any of what is written, tell me that I can't believe in something they don't believe in because I don't take literally all of what is written...

Well sorry. I can.
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That doesn't wash with me. It would be like saying Hitler had a plan to increase the economy so I supported him. And just decided to ignore everything else......
 
Papas1982 said:
That doesn't wash with me. It would be like saying Hitler had a plan to increase the economy so I supported him. And just decided to ignore everything else......
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Well - that's entirely up to you. And frankly it's none of anyone's business the personal basis of someone's faith.

If they are trying to bring you on board, then feel free of course to question; be cynical, be dismissive. But if someone is only looking to give a context, understanding or different perspective to such as the killing of Chau where that is not otherwise being provided, then that is, I would hope, to be welcomed - and not taken as an opportunity to question or attempt to undermine the individual trying to impart some understanding of the context.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well - that's entirely up to you. And frankly it's none of anyone's business the personal basis of someone's faith.

If they are trying to bring you on board, then feel free of course to question; be cynical, be dismissive. But if someone is only looking to give a context, understanding or different perspective to such as the killing of Chau where that is not otherwise being provided, then that is, I would hope, to be welcomed - and not taken as an opportunity to question or attempt to undermine the individual trying to impart some understanding of the context.
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I’m sorry, but this guy was sent there by his faith. To spread his unwelcome word. So in this instance, questioning faith and it’s values are wholly justififiable imo.
 
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