Scotland Debate

[CMAC]

Ian Wood is a name who knows about the North Sea.He's made billions out of supplying rigs and over his career he'll know whats what.

So when he calls Salmond and The Yes campaign out for exagerating numbers you have to concede ground. The 24 billion barrels isn't 24 billion but 15-16 billion of discovered oil.

What I don't get is it was Wood himself who made the 24 billion claim, used by Salmond at the beginning of the year.It was his report that he wrote that used the 24 billion of discovered oil.Why would he now turn on that number?

Ian Wood should seal it for a lot of the dont knows I would hope. He has the ear of most of the big companies in O&G and when he says they dont want a separate Scotland and the revenue could run out much sooner, I would take that to the bank.

 

[MegaSteve]

It was his report that he wrote that used the 24 billion of discovered oil.Why would he now turn on that number?

Perhaps the guy has had a reality check and doesn't, at a later date, wish to be accused of being full of BS....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Swinney racks it up a tad...................http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28943041

 

[CMAC]

120 captains of Industry state today the case for a Yes isn't proven.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

120 captains of Industry state today the case for a Yes isn't proven.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/237805123/Letter-to-the-Scotsman-Wed-27-Sep-2014

It's a reasonable point of view and one that I think carries more weight than any politicians words can.But Business for Scotland could also produce a similar 180 degree view.Both sides can project their own position well when the politicans get out the way......



These two sold the gold and created the perfect storm of financial deregulation and yet stand side by side pontificating to the people of Scotland about the economy?A pair of shysters.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/237805123/Letter-to-the-Scotsman-Wed-27-Sep-2014

It's a reasonable point of view and one that I think carries more weight than any politicians words can.But Business for Scotland could also produce a similar 180 degree view.Both sides can project their own position well when the politicans get out the way......


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These two sold the gold and created the perfect storm of financial deregulation and yet stand side by side pontificating to the people of Scotland about the economy?A pair of shysters.

Would certainly agree with your latter point re: Messrs Brown & Darling but then didn't Mr Salmond used to work for RBS?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Would certainly agree with your latter point re: Messrs Brown & Darling but then didn't Mr Salmond used to work for RBS?

Yup-

In 1978 he entered the Government Economic Service as an Assistant Economist in the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland, part of the now defunct Scottish Office. Two years later he joined the staff of the Royal Bank of Scotland where he worked for seven years, initially as an assistant economist. In 1982 he was appointed Oil Economist, and from 1984 he worked as a bank economist as well as continuing to hold the position of Oil Economist.[12] While with the Royal Bank, he wrote and broadcast extensively for both domestic and international outlets. He also contributed regularly to oil and energy conferences. In 1983 Salmond created a "Royal Bank/BBC oil index" that is still used

Not really the same as selling our gold or presiding over the bank collapse

 

[Deleted member 18588]

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Not really the same as selling our gold or presiding over the bank collapse

True, but an economist!!!!!!!

One of those people who base virtually all their theories on past experience and then cannot understand why it did not work out the way they thought it would.

Perhaps also explains why so many aspiring politicians read PPE at university and why I am always very sceptical of politicians of all persuasions when they discuss economic issues.

 

[patricks148]

a lot has been made about folk leaving Scotland in the event of a yes Vote, Looking at the other side what about all the people who wont want to live under a Conservative Government or have Boris as a PM moving to Scotland?

 

[CMAC]

a lot has been made about folk leaving Scotland in the event of a yes Vote, Looking at the other side what about all the people who wont want to live under a Conservative Government or have Boris as a PM moving to Scotland?

has there been such a poll? surprised if there hasn't especially paid for by the yes campaign to bolster up their pension and jobs claims.

 

[Old Skier]

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These two sold the gold and created the perfect storm of financial deregulation and yet stand side by side pontificating to the people of Scotland about the economy?A pair of shysters.

Along with Salmond the best argument yet for a No vote if that's an example of what Sotland has in the way of elected politicians.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Along with Salmond the best argument yet for a No vote if that's an example of what Sotland has in the way of elected politicians.

So disagreeing with BT campaigners is the best reason to vote no? #newlogic

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

has there been such a poll? surprised if there hasn't especially paid for by the yes campaign to bolster up their pension and jobs claims.

I've not been asked and I've definitely been thinking about it. 99% certain I wouldn't move in next two years - after that who knows.

 

[Old Skier]

So disagreeing with BT campaigners is the best reason to vote no? #newlogic

No, the poor standard of what you have up there who would be running the country is one good reason for voting no.

 

[patricks148]

No, the poor standard of what you have up there who would be running the country is one good reason for voting no.

Scotland does not have the monopoly of terrible politicians

Think The shower that are in now and Boris in the wings:rofl:

 

[Old Skier]

Scotland does not have the monopoly of terrible politicians

No, just more than their fair share.

 

[Foxholer]

True, but an economist!!!!!!!

One of those people who base virtually all their theories on past experience and then cannot understand why it did not work out the way they thought it would.

Perhaps also explains why so many aspiring politicians read PPE at university and why I am always very sceptical of politicians of all persuasions when they discuss economic issues.

An Economy has occasionally been described as a gigantic ball of Jelly under pressure....when a government tries to manipulate it (equivalent to poking a finger into it) the effect is often a rupture in some unforeseen place! It has also been likened to a balloon - similar to the Jelly analogy, but with a big enough 'prick', the whole thing explodes!

 

[CMAC]

An Economy has occasionally been described as a gigantic ball of Jelly under pressure....when a government tries to manipulate it (equivalent to poking a finger into it) the effect is often a rupture in some unforeseen place! It has also been likened to a balloon - similar to the Jelly analogy, but with a big enough 'prick', the whole thing explodes!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

No, just more than their fair share.

We'll just let you keep them.

 

[Old Skier]

We'll just let you keep them.

It's the scots that keep voting them in, in a way I hope you get iscot then you can keep them all to yourselves.