Sadiq Khan

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There seems to be a popular misconception (especially the further north one goes) that everyone living in or near London earns high wages and is a rich fat-cat. There are many many thousands (millions even) of low paid workers. And given the London uplift for prices, how they get by is anyone's guess. And the ULEZ scheme (whilst admirable in a way) is another kick in their wallet.

...and as I hear this morning that one criteria for EU immigrants will be that the job they need to have secured before being admitted should pay over £25,600 (skilled) and £20,480 (unskilled specific shortage) - that makes me wonder how many of those on £15k are EU migrant workers and when they move on cannot be replaced like-4-like from the EU without a huge and unsustainable hike in wages...or a sudden enthusiasm amongst British unemployed in the London area for work paying £15k...and just to help on that I believe the government has canned the idea of temporary work visas for low skilled (quite likely to be the case for anyone on £15k). Dunno how this is going to work...I assume that Priti Patel does know so best leave it with her to explain.

 

[USER1999]

I agree London has clean air targets, but just pricing out all the poor people from getting to their job is not on. Banning wood burners might be a start.
Diesel vans, buses, and taxis run 24/7, whilst people commuting only commute over narrow time periods.

Why would anyone pay over the going rate for unqualified manual work? It's a business, not a charity. We have just made 3 people redundant out of a staff of 42 to save money.

 

[USER1999]

The fact remains that people on low wages cannot afford to replace a perfectly good, working car, with another newer more expensive one.
In real world driving, there is very little difference in pollution either, between a new car, or an older one, so it is pointless.
Doubly so since I pay boat loads of VED for my 5.5 ltr petrol, but it is ULEZ exempt, whilst someone elses 1 ltr fiesta diesel with 0 VED would pay £10 per day.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

So what they need is free public transport - or heavily subsidised

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So what they need is free public transport - or heavily subsidised

Is the answer, but that would mean adopting one of Red Ken's policies.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I agree London has clean air targets, but just pricing out all the poor people from getting to their job is not on. Banning wood burners might be a start.
Diesel vans, buses, and taxis run 24/7, whilst people commuting only commute over narrow time periods.

Why would anyone pay over the going rate for unqualified manual work? It's a business, not a charity. We have just made 3 people redundant out of a staff of 42 to save money.

From today's announcements on immigration rules it sounds like your company will be having to look to pay a minimum of £20,480 for unskilled workers coming from the EU (assuming there is a specific shortage of unskilled in your area of work) if you can't get UK-based workers to fill the positions. And if you have to be paying that for new starters I am thinking that current employees earning less than that for the same job will be looking for a hike. As your company may well struggle to do that hike in wages, given it has just made 3 people redundant...what then...?

But Priti Patel will know - indeed I think the government is saying today that business will just have to get used to the idea. So as much as ULEZ impacts employment and wages in London - that might only be the tip of a big iceberg of employment/wage issues that we are sailing towards.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The Tories trying to control the UK 'free market' labour force is a joy to behold.
I really do not think they have a clue as to how the their political actions will impact. .
To throw their arms up in the air and say 'this is what the British voted for' is not the answer.
They have a responsibility to all of the people in the UK.
The employment market in Cumbria, Perthshire and Angus is totally different from those of SE England.
One size fits all will not work they have to be adaptable.

 

[Kellfire]

So what they need is free public transport - or heavily subsidised

Whoa there you disgusting, communist sympathiser. Go to Venezuela with that sort of nonsense!

 

[patricks148]

The Tories trying to control the UK 'free market' labour force is a joy to behold.
I really do not think they have a clue as to how the their political actions will impact. .
To throw their arms up in the air and say 'this is what the British voted for' is not the answer.
They have a responsibility to all of the people in the UK.
The employment market in Cumbria, Perthshire and Angus is totally different from those of SE England.
One size fits all will not work they have to be adaptable.

TBH though, they can say what they like and make as many targets as they want, but stronglty doubt it will make any difference. The tories for the last 10 years have been saying things anti imiration that pander to the right wing Brexit brigade, but have done nothing other than lay off 2,000 UK border force officers who would help enforce these rules?

i can;t see them cutting off the supply of cheap Nannies, Cleaners and servants

 

[SocketRocket]

Surely we already have enough low skilled workers in the country, why would we need more unless they leave the country.

Are those complaining here liking low wages, do they like the idea of low paid work being kept specifically for people from the EU, do they see something desirable in the UK having uncontrolled numbers of low skilled people. Please explain.

 

[MegaSteve]

I agree London has clean air targets, but just pricing out all the poor people from getting to their job is not on. Banning wood burners might be a start.

Diesel vans, buses, and taxis run 24/7, whilst people commuting only commute over narrow time periods.

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As I understand it any commercial vehicle, bus or taxi have had to meet the lower emission targets for some time... There was quite an uproar from traders, at the time, about having to stop using perfectly usable vehicles [aside from no being able to meet new emission targets]...

Not sure using wood burners is a London thing...

 

[USER1999]

As I understand it any commercial vehicle, bus or taxi have had to meet the lower emission targets for some time... There was quite an uproar from traders, at the time, about having to stop using perfectly usable vehicles [aside from no being able to meet new emission targets]...

Not sure using wood burners is a London thing...

Wood burners are very trendy. Who doesn't like a real fire. They have talked about taxing the fuel, and or burners before.

Whether vans and taxis meet ULEZ is also pretty irrelevant. Their engines run all day, so the pollution is relentless. Also, loads of tests have proved the latest diesels are as bad, if not worse than older ones. Still polluting. Alot. Stopping people from commuting won't make the biggest difference in my view.

Pollution is also driven by congestion. Congestion round my way has many causes, many of them preventable. Very badly designed junctions, poor traffic light programming, people blocking exits and entrances to roundabouts, parking on double yellows, and relentless road works being some of them.

 

[MegaSteve]

Wood burners are very trendy. Who doesn't like a real fire. They have talked about taxing the fuel, and or burners before.

Whether vans and taxis meet ULEZ is also pretty irrelevant. Their engines run all day, so the pollution is relentless. Also, loads of tests have proved the latest diesels are as bad, if not worse than older ones. Still polluting. Alot. Stopping people from commuting won't make the biggest difference in my view.

Pollution is also driven by congestion. Congestion round my way has many causes, many of them preventable. Very badly designed junctions, poor traffic light programming, people blocking exits and entrances to roundabouts, parking on double yellows, and relentless road works being some of them.

Wood burners may be trendy but I didn't see too many chimneys whilst overlooking London from the walkie talkie today...

Sorting congestion is a nettle yet to be grasped by any Mayor past or present... Clearing roads of Uber etc would be a start...

 

[Tashyboy]

Wood burners may be trendy but I didn't see too many chimneys whilst overlooking London from the walkie talkie today...

Sorting congestion is a nettle yet to be grasped by any Mayor past or present... Clearing roads of Uber etc would be a start...

Pah, wood burners are sooooooo last year. Multi fuel burners.Thats the future. Au natural coal, hundreds of millions of years old. Especially when it is free. ??

 

[harpo_72]

Let the business die, justify hs2 ... de centralisation is good.
London is a hole best avoided.

 

[Hobbit]

Khan's remit is mayor of London. There were 149 murders in London last year. 1 murder almost every other day. Air quality in London, in the autumn, was the poorest it had been for many years. Affordable housing... there's a list Khan needs to be concentrating on.

I'm all for an EU citizenship for those that want it - some of us need it, or at least some certainty about our future... believe me, even with the (good) noises coming from the Spanish govt it needs the UK govt to reciprocate, which they are being incredibly silent about.

Khan can make as much noise as he wants, even though he should be concentrating on the day job, but he carries zero weight on this issue. He's vote chasing, that's all.

 

[User62651]

Khan's remit is mayor of London. There were 149 murders in London last year. 1 murder almost every other day. Air quality in London, in the autumn, was the poorest it had been for many years. Affordable housing... there's a list Khan needs to be concentrating on.

I'm all for an EU citizenship for those that want it - some of us need it, or at least some certainty about our future... believe me, even with the (good) noises coming from the Spanish govt it needs the UK govt to reciprocate, which they are being incredibly silent about.

Khan can make as much noise as he wants, even though he should be concentrating on the day job, but he carries zero weight on this issue. He's vote chasing, that's all.

You sound a bit more pessimistic on your residency security in Spain than you used to. Does 300k UK citizens resident (some working) there really carry that much weight economically over there (which used to be the argument) when Spain will always have the 2 week packagers from all over Europe coming in their millions? The Gibraltar issue will be a card the Spanish Govt will play.
If EU/Spain only permit 90 day visas can you apply for Spanish or dual citizenship to get round that?
If Spain didn't work out would you come back to UK or look to Australia or somewhere else warm to live?

 

[MegaSteve]

Khan's remit is mayor of London. There were 149 murders in London last year. 1 murder almost every other day. Air quality in London, in the autumn, was the poorest it had been for many years. Affordable housing... there's a list Khan needs to be concentrating on.

I'm all for an EU citizenship for those that want it - some of us need it, or at least some certainty about our future... believe me, even with the (good) noises coming from the Spanish govt it needs the UK govt to reciprocate, which they are being incredibly silent about.

Khan can make as much noise as he wants, even though he should be concentrating on the day job, but he carries zero weight on this issue. He's vote chasing, that's all.

Of course he's "vote chasing"... It's election year ...
Puzzled why folk outside London are have interest about 'our' election ...

As for "clean air" folk say that is what they want... BUT, they don't want to be the ones giving up 'stuff'' to achieve it...
Think that was borne out on another thread quite recently...

 

[USER1999]

Of course he's "vote chasing"... It's election year ...
Puzzled why folk outside London are have interest about 'our' election ...

As for "clean air" folk say that is what they want... BUT, they don't want to be the ones giving up 'stuff'' to achieve it...
Think that was borne out on another thread quite recently...

Yeah, you are right, loads of people should be queueing up to lose their jobs. They could leap frog each other all the way to the job centre.

 

[SocketRocket]

You sound a bit more pessimistic on your residency security in Spain than you used to. Does 300k UK citizens resident (some working) there really carry that much weight economically over there (which used to be the argument) when Spain will always have the 2 week packagers from all over Europe coming in their millions? The Gibraltar issue will be a card the Spanish Govt will play.
If EU/Spain only permit 90 day visas can you apply for Spanish or dual citizenship to get round that?
If Spain didn't work out would you come back to UK or look to Australia or somewhere else warm to live?

Can you see Spain wanting to lose any of the trade they get from UK tourism/residency?