StrangelyBrown
Tour Winner
I haven't got the faintest idea. In the end it didn't matter as I put 3 over the wall on the 3rd and didn't recover after that.
S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
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I haven't got the faintest idea. In the end it didn't matter as I put 3 over the wall on the 3rd and didn't recover after that.
slugger
Tour Rookie
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
You can't play as a 4 ball in any medal at either of the clubs i've been a member at.
You can't play as a 4 ball in any medal at either of the clubs i've been a member at.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
Weird, but still, why ever not?
Weird, but still, why ever not?
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
Speed of play I guess. Although at my last club we medalled in 4s in about 4 hours, and my current club we medal in 3s in over 4 hours.
I just wish a few players would get on with it. We all know who they are at each club. If they pair up (can you pair up in a three?), the whole field is knacked.
Speed of play I guess. Although at my last club we medalled in 4s in about 4 hours, and my current club we medal in 3s in over 4 hours.
I just wish a few players would get on with it. We all know who they are at each club. If they pair up (can you pair up in a three?), the whole field is knacked.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
Amen to that!
Amen to that!
DMC
Challenge Tour Pro
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
I have often wondered why the slowest players generally feel the need to be in the first few groups in a medal round? the last medal round i played was just under 5 hrs,i was losing the will to live.
I have often wondered why the slowest players generally feel the need to be in the first few groups in a medal round? the last medal round i played was just under 5 hrs,i was losing the will to live.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
So they don't get held up?
So they don't get held up?
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
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What he said. Go find another sport. Preferably something that gets you back home 15 minutes after you left.
Parmo
Tour Winner
I don't mind slow play really, I have time on the weekends to enjoy my game and I manage my personal time right. Our course is only 5250 yards and a 9 hole loop yet still takes around 4 hours, I don't mind. I do mind when players are not following the rules regarding letting players through, I think there is a difference between slow play and the field been slow.
Yerman
Journeyman Pro
Why don't they introduce a clocking on and off system where there are time penalties/shots for slow play. You could get even more sophisticated and have GPS devices with shot timers -sounds complex but just needs a little thought -they've done it in chess for over a hundred years. For us amateurs they could have a clocking on and off system in the pro shop with a deposit a risk if a certain time limit is breeched.
I played a couple of solo rounds last week.
1st at Mid Sussex - 6000 yards off the yellows. Noone in front of me for more than one hole before letting me through. I wasn't playing awful, but I did smack a ball into the trees twice and take a few minutes finding it.
Just under 3 hours.
So how do you guys get a 4 ball around in the same time?
1st at Mid Sussex - 6000 yards off the yellows. Noone in front of me for more than one hole before letting me through. I wasn't playing awful, but I did smack a ball into the trees twice and take a few minutes finding it.
Just under 3 hours.
So how do you guys get a 4 ball around in the same time?
Robobum
Money List Winner
What???
So I pay nigh on £800 a year to be rushed round a golf course??
flixtonflyer2103
Medal Winner
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He didnt mension anything about being rushed just a reasonable time allowance. Ill be honest slow play annoys me. I think we need to do something and it is a problem otherwise it wouldnt be on the scorecard/rules of every club ive ever played at.FACT
He didnt mension anything about being rushed just a reasonable time allowance. Ill be honest slow play annoys me. I think we need to do something and it is a problem otherwise it wouldnt be on the scorecard/rules of every club ive ever played at.FACT
DCB
Well-known member
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
Well let's look at it from two points,
Firstly a social game, does it really matter as long as the course keeps moving and you keep apace with the group in front. If you're struggling then you know what to do....
If you're on your own and moving faster than the rest of the course, then slow down and smell the flowers. You're out there playing and getting a bit of practice. Make the most of it
Secondly, in a competition, a committee already has the provision for penalising slow play. They just need to be brave enough to do it
At Castle Stuart, the pace wasn't fast, but it could have been a lot slower. I'd imagine 5-6hr rounds will be possible there in high season. Remember, they don't allow buggies, so that's not going to sit well with all visitors.
At Nairn, the first group out set a blistering pace, but on a flat links course, with no wind and very friendly rough,and a fourball of cat 1 players, their time was quite reasonable. I did feel that the pace of play did slow up, with the rest of the field and had felt that had it been a weekday, then a course ranger may have had words to get things moving along.
Not having a pop at any one or any group at Nairn, but, I did feel that we got bogged down as the morning went on. We took just on 4 hours for the round in very benign conditions for a links course.
Well let's look at it from two points,
Firstly a social game, does it really matter as long as the course keeps moving and you keep apace with the group in front. If you're struggling then you know what to do....
If you're on your own and moving faster than the rest of the course, then slow down and smell the flowers. You're out there playing and getting a bit of practice. Make the most of it
Secondly, in a competition, a committee already has the provision for penalising slow play. They just need to be brave enough to do it
At Castle Stuart, the pace wasn't fast, but it could have been a lot slower. I'd imagine 5-6hr rounds will be possible there in high season. Remember, they don't allow buggies, so that's not going to sit well with all visitors.
At Nairn, the first group out set a blistering pace, but on a flat links course, with no wind and very friendly rough,and a fourball of cat 1 players, their time was quite reasonable. I did feel that the pace of play did slow up, with the rest of the field and had felt that had it been a weekday, then a course ranger may have had words to get things moving along.
Not having a pop at any one or any group at Nairn, but, I did feel that we got bogged down as the morning went on. We took just on 4 hours for the round in very benign conditions for a links course.
JT77
Tour Winner
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I can see both points. I play occaisionally on my own after work, quick 9, and like to get round in 90 mins, which for a single player doing 9 is very do-able. I will hit the odd shot again and maybe take a few putts if the course is quiet. If I pop out and it is busy, I dont mind it taking a bit longer, the problem for me is when people take the mick, ie, have a clear fairway in front and are dallying about or have lost a hole and still wont play you through.
In a comp or as a fourball, I think that 4 hours is a good time, we play 6500 yards give or take, and there is a good bit of trouble about, so if it takes 4 and half hours I dont mind, again it boils down to people being respectful, ie on a 550 yard par 5 and waiting for the green to clear with 300 yards to go, for their 3rd shot! The flip side being, that if people are running up your arse all the time and you cant move because of the people in front, then the slow play is annoying, but not nessicarily from those in front!!
I think that it boils down to the circumstances, if it is a great day with great company, it is not as bad as if it is peeing down and your with a complete pratt(or yourself)
I can see both points. I play occaisionally on my own after work, quick 9, and like to get round in 90 mins, which for a single player doing 9 is very do-able. I will hit the odd shot again and maybe take a few putts if the course is quiet. If I pop out and it is busy, I dont mind it taking a bit longer, the problem for me is when people take the mick, ie, have a clear fairway in front and are dallying about or have lost a hole and still wont play you through.
In a comp or as a fourball, I think that 4 hours is a good time, we play 6500 yards give or take, and there is a good bit of trouble about, so if it takes 4 and half hours I dont mind, again it boils down to people being respectful, ie on a 550 yard par 5 and waiting for the green to clear with 300 yards to go, for their 3rd shot! The flip side being, that if people are running up your arse all the time and you cant move because of the people in front, then the slow play is annoying, but not nessicarily from those in front!!
I think that it boils down to the circumstances, if it is a great day with great company, it is not as bad as if it is peeing down and your with a complete pratt(or yourself)
Robobum
Money List Winner
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
Come on then, don't be like the politicians!! "Reasonable time allowance"....what is reasonable?? The same question as "what is slow play"??
Do you know what the officail pace of play schedule is at your course?? I expect it would surprise a lot of people if they found out. The county (or your club's county rep) will have done one, it tells you, in detail how long it should take to complete every hole.
At our track it is 3hrs 50 mins for a 3 ball! I've never taken 3hrs 50 for a 3 ball round but there are still times when I've been held up and it's felt slow.
Come on then, don't be like the politicians
!! "Reasonable time allowance"....what is reasonable?? The same question as "what is slow play"??Do you know what the officail pace of play schedule is at your course?? I expect it would surprise a lot of people if they found out. The county (or your club's county rep) will have done one, it tells you, in detail how long it should take to complete every hole.
At our track it is 3hrs 50 mins for a 3 ball! I've never taken 3hrs 50 for a 3 ball round but there are still times when I've been held up and it's felt slow.
S
Snelly
Guest
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I despise slow play. It is unecessary and utterly selfish.
In golf, you need to be ready to play your shot when it is your turn - simple as that. This does not mean that when it is your turn, you pretend your coming up the last at The Masters and enter into an elaborate pre-shot routine with three practice swings. It means you are ready to hit the ball.
If you feel the need to have two minutes of histrionics before actually striking the ball then do it in advance of the point at which it is your turn. Failing that, drop the pre shot nonsense and hit the ball then go and find it.
Slow players are selfish players. Get on with it and give some thought to the people you are playing with and the rest of the field.
I despise slow play. It is unecessary and utterly selfish.
In golf, you need to be ready to play your shot when it is your turn - simple as that. This does not mean that when it is your turn, you pretend your coming up the last at The Masters and enter into an elaborate pre-shot routine with three practice swings. It means you are ready to hit the ball.
If you feel the need to have two minutes of histrionics before actually striking the ball then do it in advance of the point at which it is your turn. Failing that, drop the pre shot nonsense and hit the ball then go and find it.
Slow players are selfish players. Get on with it and give some thought to the people you are playing with and the rest of the field.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
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I hate slow play as well but it isn't always easy to carry out your "histrionics" if one of you group is playing his shot right next to you, like on the Tee, it's just rude. Also, a couple of practice swings doesn't hurt anyone.
I have 2 practice swings but where possible I do this while others are playing so I'm ready when it's my turn. I also use the line on my ball to line up putts, but again I do this while others are playing providing I'm not in anyone's way.
I don't think it is about stopping people's pre-shot routine, it's about making people more aware of where they are. The things that annoy me most are...
(1) People who don't take their club out of their bag until it's their turn to play.
(2) People who insist on walking down the fairway with their partner to their partner's ball even when their balls are on opposite sides of the fairway, waiting for their partner to play before wandering accross to their ball. I understand people like to have a chat but you're on the golf course for four hours, there's plenty of time for that. I've no problem with this if you're not holding anyone up but when you are, be aware of it!
(3) People who pay no attention to where their ball has gone when they hit it towards the rough and subsequently start looking in the wrong place.
(4) People who wait for a green to clear when it is obvious they can't reach it.
(5) People who leave their trolley on the wrong side of the green
(6) People who don't keep track of the number of shots they have had whilst playing the hole and subsequently stand on or around the green looking back down the fairway pointing at the spots they have been in order to establish how many they took. This one really annoys me, I mean, how hard is it to add one every time you hit the ball?
I hate slow play as well but it isn't always easy to carry out your "histrionics" if one of you group is playing his shot right next to you, like on the Tee, it's just rude. Also, a couple of practice swings doesn't hurt anyone.
I have 2 practice swings but where possible I do this while others are playing so I'm ready when it's my turn. I also use the line on my ball to line up putts, but again I do this while others are playing providing I'm not in anyone's way.
I don't think it is about stopping people's pre-shot routine, it's about making people more aware of where they are. The things that annoy me most are...
(1) People who don't take their club out of their bag until it's their turn to play.
(2) People who insist on walking down the fairway with their partner to their partner's ball even when their balls are on opposite sides of the fairway, waiting for their partner to play before wandering accross to their ball. I understand people like to have a chat but you're on the golf course for four hours, there's plenty of time for that. I've no problem with this if you're not holding anyone up but when you are, be aware of it!
(3) People who pay no attention to where their ball has gone when they hit it towards the rough and subsequently start looking in the wrong place.
(4) People who wait for a green to clear when it is obvious they can't reach it.
(5) People who leave their trolley on the wrong side of the green
(6) People who don't keep track of the number of shots they have had whilst playing the hole and subsequently stand on or around the green looking back down the fairway pointing at the spots they have been in order to establish how many they took. This one really annoys me, I mean, how hard is it to add one every time you hit the ball?
bobmac
Major Champion
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
This is difficult to fix during week days but shouldn't be difficult during medals.
Explain to the first group what time is reasonable for their group.
Then the course marshall checks that all is well for the rest of the field.
If the first group make good time, there's no reason for the rest of the field to fall behind.
If they cant or wont keep up, then they should be instructed by the mashall to call any groups through that are being held up or penalise the group for slow play.
If some players want to play slowly, go out last.
During the week, it's just common sense. Take as long as you like, just don't spoil it for others...let them pass and yes, that includes a singleton.
This is difficult to fix during week days but shouldn't be difficult during medals.
Explain to the first group what time is reasonable for their group.
Then the course marshall checks that all is well for the rest of the field.
If the first group make good time, there's no reason for the rest of the field to fall behind.
If they cant or wont keep up, then they should be instructed by the mashall to call any groups through that are being held up or penalise the group for slow play.
If some players want to play slowly, go out last.
During the week, it's just common sense. Take as long as you like, just don't spoil it for others...let them pass and yes, that includes a singleton.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Re: S....l...o....w P..........l.........a..............y
The biggest hold up in medal play at my track is the 4th. The first par three. If it takes 10 minutes to play it (roughly), why do we start at 8 minute intervals? Inevitably, you have to wait on this tee, and often, the group in front hasn't even tee'd off. Every 5 groups through will cause another group to get stuck here. I once found 5 groups on this tee. It had taken 1 1/2 hours for the first 3 holes, and then I walked in, as it would have taken another 50 minutes to even get on the tee.
The biggest hold up in medal play at my track is the 4th. The first par three. If it takes 10 minutes to play it (roughly), why do we start at 8 minute intervals? Inevitably, you have to wait on this tee, and often, the group in front hasn't even tee'd off. Every 5 groups through will cause another group to get stuck here. I once found 5 groups on this tee. It had taken 1 1/2 hours for the first 3 holes, and then I walked in, as it would have taken another 50 minutes to even get on the tee.
