Reducing carbon emissions

I will reduce my carbon emissions by continuing to eat BRITISH meat and chicken and drinking milk from local cows.

I will try to eat only BRITISH seasonal fruit and vegetables.

I will continue to only heat the house when it's cold and turn lights off when I'm not in the room.

I will not be buying an electric car as I can't damn well afford one.
 
Jimaroid said:
How are you eating tax free?
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You have missed the point please read.

In this EXAMPLE you have an induction hob and I still have a gas hob and oven

You cook a meal and use let's say 2kw of electric .. but your taxed at 20% because electric went up to catch all the people who used Evs

I'm using gas which vat is at 5% because it's not being used to catch car uses

You then turn on your heat pump and use 15kw electric to heat the house for a day ... Your taxed at 20% .. I'll wack on the gas boiler

You then ride a bike to work

I drive 50 mile round trip and let's just say I use 17kw (the same as you have used for your dinner and heating your house)

Is it fair on you that you have paid the same tax on that usage when you used it to heat and eat and I used it to travel?

Where as if the new tax was applied on miles traveled in the car annually would that not be fairer way of calculating it?
 
@Jimaroid even if they raised electric to £1 a kw at 20% tax to use the electric for 12,000 miles would be £450 a year tax (whilst increase everyone's tax to heat their home)

But on the road on a 50mpg car you need 240 gallons to go 12000 miles.. that's 1080 litres .. that's 57.95p tax rate .. that's £625

It would be a massive loss to try and tax on electric for road usage

Where as @cliveb said he was asked 20 years ago to look into by mile taxing .. so I'm sure they have looked into it and that will be the way forward
 
pauljames87 said:
You have missed the point please read.

In this EXAMPLE you have an induction hob and I still have a gas hob and oven

You cook a meal and use let's say 2kw of electric .. but your taxed at 20% because electric went up to catch all the people who used Evs

I'm using gas which vat is at 5% because it's not being used to catch car uses

You then turn on your heat pump and use 15kw electric to heat the house for a day ... Your taxed at 20% .. I'll wack on the gas boiler

You then ride a bike to work

I drive 50 mile round trip and let's just say I use 17kw (the same as you have used for your dinner and heating your house)

Is it fair on you that you have paid the same tax on that usage when you used it to heat and eat and I used it to travel?

Where as if the new tax was applied on miles traveled in the car annually would that not be fairer way of calculating it?
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If there MUST be tax on EVs (as I agree, there eventually should be), then it should be measured and charged at/on the vehicle itself!
That way, there is no 'distortion' involved by taxing other (heating, cooking etc.) energy use.
 
Foxholer said:
If there MUST be tax on EVs (as I agree, there eventually should be), then it should be measured and charged at/on the vehicle itself!
Thast way, there is no 'distortion' involved by taxing other (heating, cooking etc.) energy use.
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That's exactly what I've been saying

My car records the milage it does
The kw it takes in charge

Either of them tax could be applied to

Maybe a flat 20p per kw for car use only

It would be criminal to tax people for using heat pumps etc
 
pauljames87 said:
You have missed the point please read.
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:ROFLMAO:

If you invent a stupid example you'll receive stupid answers. There's no way to answer a question that makes no sense and uses numbers you're pulling out of the air to build a straw man. And it still doesn't even fit with what I've said.

For utter clarity. Electricity used to charge EVs should be taxed at a different rate to electricity used to heat your dinner. It's a simple tax banding problem.
 
Jimaroid said:
:ROFLMAO:

If you invent a stupid example you'll receive stupid answers. There's no way to answer a question that makes no sense and uses numbers you're pulling out of the air to build a straw man. And it still doesn't even fit with what I've said.

For utter clarity. Electricity used to charge EVs should be taxed at a different rate to electricity used to heat your dinner. It's a simple tax banding problem.
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Which is exactly what I agree with. I've said it how many times? Stop arguing for the sake of it...

As I've said countless times it needs to be done on either milage or amount of kw put in a car

However amount put in a car recorded by a charger etc would then include that fed in by solar energy.. which should be tax free as it's generated by the owner.
 
Jimaroid said:
:ROFLMAO:

If you invent a stupid example you'll receive stupid answers. There's no way to answer a question that makes no sense and uses numbers you're pulling out of the air to build a straw man. And it still doesn't even fit with what I've said.

For utter clarity. Electricity used to charge EVs should be taxed at a different rate to electricity used to heat your dinner. It's a simple tax banding problem.
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He should be able to understand that concept seeing as he is always banging on about charging his car at off peak rates through his smart meter :rolleyes:
 
Jimaroid said:
You can do it on mileage. But it'd be wrong.
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When it's tax right? ........

Right now your taxed on fuel plus VAT on top of that tax .. is that right?

Milage is easy to implement ..

Modern cars have chips and report milage back to dealers

Old cars will use petrol and get taxed

Ev will report milage and get taxed

I'd bet a lot of money milage will become the tax and people will be taxed on milage and at the pumps to "encourage" them to switch to ev to be taxed "only" on milage.
 
'should be tax free' and 'is tax free' are rarely, if ever, coincide!
Purchase Tax (the precurser to VAT) is a classic example, at least post WWII.
 
pauljames87 said:
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I'd bet a lot of money milage will become the tax and people will be taxed on milage and at the pumps to "encourage" them to switch to ev to be taxed "only" on milage.
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Usage is far more appropriate! And that's, presumably, how EVs are already being charged/taxed at 'pumps' now - just as per Petrol/Diesel.
 
Foxholer said:
Usage is far more appropriate! And that's, presumably, how EVs are already being charged/taxed at 'pumps' now - just as per Petrol/Diesel.
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5% on electric

At my 5p rate I pay £6.42 a year in tax

If I charged at Mt 14p rate I'd pay £18 a year in tax for traveling 12,000 miles

2700 kw usage to travel that
 
Jimaroid said:
I agree. It's really easy to do something wrong.

Fuel is taxed.
And what fuel is used in EVs? The answer is electricty
So what do we tax in EVs? The answer is...

MILEAGE!
:ROFLMAO:
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What has been spoken about by government? Milage ..

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it won't happen
 
Jimaroid said:
I agree. It's really easy to do something wrong.

Fuel is taxed.
And what fuel is used in EVs? The answer is electricty
So what do we tax in EVs? The answer is...

MILEAGE!
:ROFLMAO:
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Why do we have to raise tax in the same way we do now?
 
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