Reducing carbon emissions

[Deleted member 21784]

Who mentioned tax? Taking Tide household rates as an example nighttime rates are 5p, day rates are more than double at 12p and peak rates between 4 and 6pm are 25p nearly 5 times the night rate.

If night usage significantly increases then the 5p rate will go to at least 12p, more than doubling the changing cost?

Sorry tax has been talked about so much today I assumed it was same

It will come one day no doubt

Don't see much of a change before the ban tbh

Octupus for example

I've got 3 offers

40p during day 28 night
28 day 15 night (loyalty rate)
Or go tarif
24 day 5 night

This is with the massive rises they still give go to electric cars at 5p even in these times

I'm locked in until Feb luckily so 14 and 5 ATM

 

[Jimaroid]

written off BMW 30kw for 5k .. he is a sparky and connected it to his consumer unit with an inverter that cost £600

He charges at night for 5p then runs his whole house all day

If the charges come in on night rate he just goes solar and feeds into the battieres then into is house

How long will it take him to recoup capital outlaid on Solar and Batteries?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

This debate took place on the EV thread a while back. Prices for electricity WILL go up as demand WILL go up. It's simple capitalist economics 101.

This is going to happen, we have to deal with it just like we have to deal with cost of living increases in all quarters of life. In most cases it will level itself out for many when we go from petrol/diesel to electric. Personally I'd be fine with that. The end-goal isn't for it to be cheaper after all, its for it to be cleaner. So if my cost was 15p per mile and it stayed at 15p per mile rather than 6p then I am no worse off.

Initial affordability remains a big hurdle for the lowest income households (of which, we are reminded on a regular basis, there are many millions) where a cheap £1k gas guzzler will always be a more attractive option than a £5k "cheap" EV. Even if we can promise that running it will be cheaper.

The issue of electric cars being less engaging to drive is another matter completely and one that manufacturers will need to think about in order to make their product more enticing. There are people who say modern performance cars are less engaging because of things like power steering making it "too easy" in tight corners. This is just the evolution of the car.

Spot on

If ev was same as a ice now price wise people wouldn't care if it cost the same to run

Guy at work has a id4 cost him 45k

He hasn't even got a car tariff he just pays as if it was petrol he is more caring about its green

Everyone says autos are boring (well not everyone but a lot of people) electric will be the death of manual as their all auto

It's a fun drive tho the thing feels like a go kart

But hand on heart if it wasn't an EV I wouldn't have that car so all the comparison meh I'd have something nicer if it was petrol

 

[Deleted member 21784]

How long will it take him to recoup capital outlaid on Solar and Batteries?

Trying to remember what he told me .. I think he said 4 years off top of My head

6k total outlay so far

Only pays 5p per kw .. except to charge his car as he does in day as he night worker

He told me he averaged 9p per kw accross a month and I think he said 4 years and he is even

 

[Deleted member 29109]

For anyone using the potential cost increase of electricity as an excuse for not going EV.
How much do you think dinosaur juice is going to cost in the future?

 

[sweaty sock]

For anyone using the potential cost increase of electricity as an excuse for not going EV.
How much do you think dinosaur juice is going to cost in the future?

Wont's price will drop year on year as less and less demand drives the market?

Yes, I know, I know....

Apologies

 

[Blue in Munich]

For anyone using the potential cost increase of electricity as an excuse for not going EV.
How much do you think dinosaur juice is going to cost in the future?

It doesn't matter how cheap the electricity is when people can't or won't afford to buy the EV in the first place.

 

[GreiginFife]

Wont's price will drop year on year as less and less demand drives the market?

Yes, I know, I know....

Apologies

Last year was a rare occasion where low demand during lockdown saw pump prices fall. Tesco here was down at 99.9p for a few weeks. Then as soon as demand kicked up it was 103.9 and rose rapidly.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

It doesn't matter how cheap the electricity is when people can't or won't afford to buy the EV in the first place.

The cheapest Leaf in AT is just over £5k. That’s affordable for a lot of people. Of course that is still a lot of money for some. But over time EVs will become cheaper as have ICEVs

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Really don't see it

Imagine it.. someone can't afford an EV but has just managed to get electric heat pump to get away from gas as we have to etc

So we all use more electric because we have to

But then people end up not heating homes because it's costing too much because of the tax

They get taxed on petrol but then taxed on turning the kettle on aswell

It will be a massive vote loser


Tax by roads used and milage done

Bill at end of year . Cars have chips now report milage

Mine tells vauxhall how many miles I've done

How long before they go ok then £200 tax for that

Remember when they said everyone had to have water meters, and it would reduce our bills? Well guess what, we use less water than without a meter and our bills are way more.
Once they have forced the majority down the electric only route for almost everything, they will increase prices for any amount of reasons and anyone who thinks they won’t has sadly got a screw loose.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The cheapest Leaf in AT is just over £5k. That’s affordable for a lot of people. Of course that is still a lot of money for some. But over time EVs will become cheaper as have ICEVs

Guy who plays kryton did a piece on it

The price of lithium has dropped dramatically

However prices remain same

Say 10k more for the Corsa

Manufacturers are keeping prices high ATM in his view but in time they will drop

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Remember when they said everyone had to have water meters, and it would reduce our bills? Well guess what, we use less water than without a meter and our bills are way more.
Once they have forced the majority down the electric only route for almost everything, they will increase prices for any amount of reasons and anyone who thinks they won’t has sadly got a screw loose.

My parents aren't they pay like £200 a month I have one and pay £50..

 

[Blue in Munich]

The cheapest Leaf in AT is just over £5k. That’s affordable for a lot of people. Of course that is still a lot of money for some. But over time EVs will become cheaper as have ICEVs

Well I'd say £5,750 is nearer £6k than £5k, so not just over £5k.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...ar-to=2021&make=Nissan&postcode=br51az&page=1

Whilst a Leaf may be affordable, is it practical? I can't see me getting anything close to what I've currently got in terms of space & ability without spending considerably more or buying an older model with higher mileage & the risk of more issues and a Leaf won't cut it for a lot of people, me included.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Well I'd say £5,750 is nearer £6k than £5k, so not just over £5k.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202110108342614?model=Leaf&sort=price-asc&include-delivery-option=on&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&year-to=2021&make=Nissan&postcode=br51az&page=1

Whilst a Leaf may be affordable, is it practical? I can't see me getting anything close to what I've currently got in terms of space & ability without spending considerably more or buying an older model with higher mileage & the risk of more issues and a Leaf won't cut it for a lot of people, me included.

But are YOU looking at 5k cars or more?

 

[Jimaroid]

Trying to remember what he told me .. I think he said 4 years off top of My head

6k total outlay so far

That seems too cheap for a solar and battery installation. You said he'd spent £5K on a battery, £600 on an inverter. What did the solar panels cost?

Calculations I did for my home came out at 15 years to recoup for solar and battery.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That seems too cheap for a solar and battery installation. You said he'd spent £5K on a battery, £600 on an inverter. What did the solar panels cost?

Calculations I did for my home came out at 15 years to recoup for solar and battery.

He doesn't have solar yet he will install if needed

5k was his costs plus the inverter because he did himself and bought the batteries from an old car

 

[Jimaroid]

He doesn't have solar yet he will install if needed

But you wrote

If the charges come in on night rate he just goes solar

You’re making it very hard to come across as credible on this to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

But you wrote



You’re making it very hard to come across as credible on this to be honest.

That's what I mean he will just go solar as in pay to have them installed

If I wanted same set up would cost me 15k or more via telsa

I'm not a sparky like this guy who wired into his own house

Obviously he would take a lot longer to break even if he went solar but right now he said 4 years for the sst up

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Another colleague, he started the ev trend, (bought a leaf the week before I ordered my Corsa)

Now he has an 18 plate leaf the new model 40kw battery

It's a lovely car, massive inside, much bigger than I thought (old leaf was tiny)

Anyways 2 years old he paid 20k he paid for it .. brand new would have been 30k plus

Now second hand cars of that age back then what you looking at spending .. focus starts 22k I know prices on second hand are stupid now but safe to assume 17k Ish? So he paid 3k more for a similar size car and has made a lot of savings for fuel

It will be an interesting watch

I'm sure someone will come in soon to tell me it would be 15,750 and my 17 was well off the mark and I'm cherry picking but just fag packet figures

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Remember when they said everyone had to have water meters, and it would reduce our bills? Well guess what, we use less water than without a meter and our bills are way more.
Once they have forced the majority down the electric only route for almost everything, they will increase prices for any amount of reasons and anyone who thinks they won’t has sadly got a screw loose.

One thing at the end there that I missed ..

So take gas .. it runs I dunno how many boilers (obviously some people are off grid etc), gas cookers aswell etc

Gas is still pretty (well was until the recent crisis) cheap no?

Yes it's risen recently but it's been a series of events in Europe have led to this etc .. I mean I pay 2.5p pkw and end of month I go onto the price cap of 4p pkw


Maybe it's because it's compared to electric seems cheaper but so many people have to use it but it's still cheap cheap and the gov haven't raised it etc