Reducing carbon emissions

[Tashyboy]

Surely in this day and age of modern technology there must be a better way of filtering carbon emissions from cars, lorries ,heating systems, chimneys etc.
And somehow make use of the carbon waste .

As an ex collier of 36 years. whether I go against the grain or not coal should not be mined. Carbon capture of burnt coal, the technology has been there for years. The government simply wanted mines shut. It had nothing to do with saving the planet what so ever.
There is a Lot of discussion about Australia and it’s use and shipping of coal overseas. What has not been mentioned is the fact that Australia mines vast quantities of “ Brown” coal. It is as dirty as you can get. It is shocking coal at its very worst. That said my lad before he came home a couple of months before COVID hit worked on the biggest solar farm in Australia. It was enormous and there are a few others in the pipeline.

 

[cliveb]

Isn’t it up to yourself to insulate your home?

You could also argue that it's up to individuals to install heat pumps, but the government is awarding grants for that. The grants would be MUCH better spent on insulation. Heat pumps are a catastrophe waiting to bankrupt many who install them. Before getting a heat pump, you need to get good insulation, so the government has once again got things the wrong way round.

They are losing the will of the people with their methods.

Agreed. Ironic that Insulate Britain may have given the goal of insulating Britain the biggest setback possible.

 

[fundy]

You could also argue that it's up to individuals to install heat pumps, but the government is awarding grants for that. The grants would be MUCH better spent on insulation. Heat pumps are a catastrophe waiting to bankrupt many who install them. Before getting a heat pump, you need to get good insulation, so the government has once again got things the wrong way round.

Agreed. Ironic that Insulate Britain may have given the goal of insulating Britain the biggest setback possible.

Plenty of insulation grants available for those on lower incomes/benefits

How is a heatpump going to bankrupt someone?

 

[cliveb]

How is a heatpump going to bankrupt someone?

If you install a heat pump in a typical British house, it won't generate hot enough water to get the house warm. You'll end up using shedloads of electricity to top up.

 

[bobmac]

That said my lad before he came home a couple of months before COVID hit worked on the biggest solar farm in Australia. It was enormous and there are a few others in the pipeline.

But of course, depending on which media source you listen to/watch, the positive news is often overlooked because good news isn't news.
Just like China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.

 

[Tashyboy]

But of course, depending on which media source you listen to/watch, the positive news is often overlooked because good news isn't news.
Just like China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.

It is indeed Bob, one does not have to dig deep ( pardon the pun) to see what they are more than capable of.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...e/renewables&usg=AOvVaw2E7iyYi8X7mjTbNPAhNmse
The problem could well be that the coal/ fossil fuel lobbyists still have a powerful voice. The loss of coal = the loss of thousands of jobs. To some that is not acceptable even if it means global warming.

 

[Fade and Die]

But of course, depending on which media source you listen to/watch, the positive news is often overlooked because good news isn't news.
Just like China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.

Woot woot… GO CHINA! ?

But in reality….
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ants-uk-cop26-climate-summit-global-phase-out

 

[Fade and Die]

When you have a look at the world polluters you have to wonder why our government is rushing to bankrupt us to achieve Net Zero status when it won’t make a blind bit of difference to the planet?

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

And talking of pollution here is a list of the 25 dirtiest cities in the world…..
Lahore, Pakistan
Ghaziabad, India
Delhi, India
Aguascalientes, Mexico
New Delhi, India
Lucknow, India
Muzaffarnagar, India
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Peshawar, Pakistan
Hapur, India
Patna, India
Kampala, Uganda
Kabul, Afghanistan
Chandigarh, India
Jaipur, India
Gandhinagar, India
Bamako, Mali
Dushanbe, Tajikistan
Baghdad, Iraq
Kolkata, India
Manama, Bahrain
Karachi, Pakistan
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Hawalli, Kuwait
Visakhapatnam, India

Notice a theme? (I’m looking forward to Greta and her band of crazies trying to stop the traffic in downtown Dhaka)

Contrast to the 10 least polluted cities…..
Zurich, Switzerland
Hobart, Australia
Reykjavik, Iceland
Launceston, Australia
Honolulu, US
Vitoria, Brazil
Bergen, Norway
Wollongong, Australia
Turku, Finland
Funchal, Portugal

So why is the focus on the First World, forcing us to make all the sacrifices?

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/25-most-polluted-cities-world-2021-rankings/

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/25-least-polluted-cities-in-the-world-2021-rankings/

 

[Deleted member 21784]

When you have a look at the world polluters you have to wonder why our government is rushing to bankrupt us to achieve Net Zero status when it won’t make a blind bit of difference to the planet?

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

And talking of pollution here is a list of the 25 dirtiest cities in the world…..
Lahore, Pakistan
Ghaziabad, India
Delhi, India
Aguascalientes, Mexico
New Delhi, India
Lucknow, India
Muzaffarnagar, India
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Peshawar, Pakistan
Hapur, India
Patna, India
Kampala, Uganda
Kabul, Afghanistan
Chandigarh, India
Jaipur, India
Gandhinagar, India
Bamako, Mali
Dushanbe, Tajikistan
Baghdad, Iraq
Kolkata, India
Manama, Bahrain
Karachi, Pakistan
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Hawalli, Kuwait
Visakhapatnam, India

Notice a theme? (I’m looking forward to Greta and her band of crazies trying to stop the traffic in downtown Dhaka)

Contrast to the 10 least polluted cities…..
Zurich, Switzerland
Hobart, Australia
Reykjavik, Iceland
Launceston, Australia
Honolulu, US
Vitoria, Brazil
Bergen, Norway
Wollongong, Australia
Turku, Finland
Funchal, Portugal

So why is the focus on the First World, forcing us to make all the sacrifices?

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/25-most-polluted-cities-world-2021-rankings/

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/25-least-polluted-cities-in-the-world-2021-rankings/

So instead we do nothing and just sod the rest of the world because the 3rd world is worse?

We need to do everything we can plus help them.

 

[stefanovic]

Inconvenient truth: the climate is warming.
Uncomfortable truth: there are too many people on this small planet.

Who at Cop 26 understands Darwinism?
Probably none of them do.
Science, technology, medicines are actually counter Darwinian.
In order for humanity to return to stability with the earth, there will I'm afraid, have to be a massive cull of humans.
And there is no planet B.
It could still take 1000 years to start to correct the balance.
But just think that one day Homo Irrationalis could become Homo Rationalis.

 

[Fade and Die]

So instead we do nothing and just sod the rest of the world because the 3rd world is worse?

We need to do everything we can plus help them.

I don’t see the point in skinting ourselves when it makes absolutely no difference to the planet whilst the real polluters do nothing.

Btw, biggest producers of air source heat pumps?
Well…. China of course.
Guandong Province mainly.
There are dozens of factories there that are eager to boost their output to satisfy the UK’s obsession of saving the planet.

and the pollution created to manufacture? Horrific.

 

[bobmac]

Woot woot… GO CHINA! ?

But in reality….
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ants-uk-cop26-climate-summit-global-phase-out

What do you mean, in reality?
There are 1.4 billion people in China, that's a lot of energy
Would you rather they did nothing with renewables?
They can't change the energy supply for 1.4 billion people overnight, but they have at least started.

On second thoughts, lets cancel all solar and wind projects, keep burning stuff because it makes ''absolutely no difference to the planet''
Let the grand kids sort it out and sod the rest. Let's not even make a start.

 

[bobmac]

I don’t see the point in skinting ourselves when it makes absolutely no difference to the planet whilst the real polluters do nothing.

''India is world's 3rd largest consumer of electricity and world's 3rd largest renewable energy producer with 38% (136 GW out of 373 GW) of total installed energy capacity in 2020 from renewable sources.''

So to say the real polluters are doing nothing is just rubbish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_India

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I don’t see the point in skinting ourselves when it makes absolutely no difference to the planet whilst the real polluters do nothing.

Btw, biggest producers of air source heat pumps?
Well…. China of course.
Guandong Province mainly.
There are dozens of factories there that are eager to boost their output to satisfy the UK’s obsession of saving the planet.

and the pollution created to manufacture? Horrific.

Fine let's not spend any cash on it.. have a balanced economy but nowhere to live because we made it uninhabitable

Cracking idea

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Just a thought to consider.

Are we already over the tipping point with carbon emissions?
Is Waterworld already an inevitability?
And if that's the case, should we just do as we please at this point but stop procreating progeny for an immanent unlivable world?

Some scientists are already saying, Game over for humans, but the durable and adaptive cockroaches may learn to become aquatic.

 

[Fade and Die]

Just a thought to consider.

Are we already over the tipping point with carbon emissions?
Is Waterworld already an inevitability?
And if that's the case, should we just do as we please at this point but stop procreating progeny for an immanent unlivable world?

Some scientists are already saying, Game over for humans, but the durable and adaptive cockroaches may learn to become aquatic.

The US is second only to China in CO emissions, pumping out more than India and Russia combined. (3rd and 4th respectively) What’s your view of that? Unlike the U.K. if your nation cleaned itself up it would make a real difference.

 

[Fade and Die]

Fine let's not spend any cash on it.. have a balanced economy but nowhere to live because we made it uninhabitable

Cracking idea

That’s a bit of a silly response, all I’m saying is what’s the point in us spending all our money to achieve something that will make no difference to the planet?
The worlds biggest CO producer didn’t even bother coming to COP26, their Premier just released a video that fails to make any climate pledges whatsoever!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....esident-sidesteps-videolink-written-statement

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That’s a bit of a silly response, all I’m saying is what’s the point in us spending all our money to achieve something that will make no difference to the planet?
The worlds biggest CO producer didn’t even bother coming to COP26, their Premier just released a video that fails to make any climate pledges whatsoever!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....esident-sidesteps-videolink-written-statement

No difference what so ever eh? So you reckon if we reduce to net zero it won't make any difference at all?

Any science behind this or just think meh sod the planet.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

That’s a bit of a silly response, all I’m saying is what’s the point in us spending all our money to achieve something that will make no difference to the planet?
The worlds biggest CO producer didn’t even bother coming to COP26, their Premier just released a video that fails to make any climate pledges whatsoever!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....esident-sidesteps-videolink-written-statement

Maybe just to make the air we breathe locally a bit cleaner?

Or to lead by example!

 

[Fade and Die]

No difference what so ever eh? So you reckon if we reduce to net zero it won't make any difference at all?

Any science behind this or just think meh sod the planet.

Maybe just to make the air we breathe locally a bit cleaner?

Or to lead by example!

Have a read of this instead of thinking we are not doing anything….

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-and-global-emissions-and-temperature-trends/

We were responsible for just 1.1% of global greenhouse gas emissions last year, and since 1990 to present day our emissions have fallen by 49%. That proves to me we are a responsible country and are more than doing our bit.

Btw China’s greenhouse gas emissions since 1990 have tripled.

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/