Red stakes off tee

[Billythefish]

Played in a knockabout last week (played 3 under with an 11 on the card!)

one hole I drove into water just off the tee, red staked. Can anyone clarify what I should have done please? 3 off the tee or drop behind red stakes

Cheers

 

[SammmeBee]

Either - or 2 club lengths either side

 

[backwoodsman]

You have 4 options.

1. Play stroke & distance.
2. Drop behind the hazard - as far as you like - keeping on a line from the hole & through the point where ball last crossed the margin of the hazard.
3. Within two club lengths - not nearer the hole - of where ball last crossed margin of hazard.
4. On opposite side of hazard, within two club lengths of (and not nearer hole than) the point equidistant from the hole as was the point where ball last crossed the hazard margin.

Which is sort of what Sammmebee said in brief.

In all cases there is a penalty of one stroke, so assuming the shot from the tee was your first, then your next stroke is your 3rd.

And remember that the position of the ball in the hazard is irrelevant. The important reference point is the point where ball last crossed the hazard margin.

 

[atticusfinch]

Why did you take up the game without knowing this answer? It's one of the most fundamental rules.

 

[MadAdey]

Why did you take up the game without knowing this answer? It's one of the most fundamental rules.

You'd be amazed how many people get mixed up between yellow and red stakes.

 

[rulefan]

Laziness

 

[Colin L]

Why did you take up the game without knowing this answer? It's one of the most fundamental rules.

I can't agree with putting knowledge of the rules of a sport as a prerequisite of taking it up. I wouldn't like anyone to be put off taking up any sport by expecting them to to know its rules before they start. We need to welcome questions on forums like this; we need to encourage golfers who look to learn from situations that crop up like this.

 

[louise_a]

It does amaze me the lack of knowledge over red stakes, I had a match last weekend against a girl off 14, she thought she had to play over the hazard, I shouldn't have told her, she beat me.

 

[rulefan]

I can't agree with putting knowledge of the rules of a sport as a prerequisite of taking it up. I wouldn't like anyone to be put off taking up any sport by expecting them to to know its rules before they start. We need to welcome questions on forums like this; we need to encourage golfers who look to learn from situations that crop up like this.

Colin

When you are asked to play a new board game (what are they??) by your grandchildren, do you simply dive straight in without reading the rules inside the box lid?

Oh, I forgot, you're a man and and never read the Ikea instructions anyway

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I can't agree with putting knowledge of the rules of a sport as a prerequisite of taking it up. I wouldn't like anyone to be put off taking up any sport by expecting them to to know its rules before they start. We need to welcome questions on forums like this; we need to encourage golfers who look to learn from situations that crop up like this.

Excellent response, I would add everyone will know some rules, but which ones will vary.

 

[rulefan]

And whether they are current

 

[Imurg]

Why did you take up the game without knowing this answer? It's one of the most fundamental rules.

It is. Which is why, 9 times out of 10, a Tour Pro will have a rules official telling him how to proceed.....
Maybe they shouldn't have taken up the game....

 

[Colin L]

Colin

When you are asked to play a new board game (what are they??) by your grandchildren, do you simply dive straight in without reading the rules inside the box lid?

Oh, I forgot, you're a man and and never read the Ikea instructions anyway

I'm not talking about board games but about participation in sport where the first things you learn are the basic skills needed to take part like hitting a ball, sliding down a slope on skis, kicking a football around....

I plead guilty to having put golf clubs in my grandchildren's hands and encouraged them to have a go at hitting a golf ball without lecturing them on what red stakes mean. We have in Club Golf a national scheme to introduce chiildren to golf [http://www.clubgolfscotland.com]. Rules and etiquette are introduced progressively, but there is no way you sit the children down to a lesson on the rules before they start. You put a putter or a wedge in their hands and get them hitting a ball and having fun. I've watched our group on a Monday night and they are most certainly having fun. Playing the 16th which is adjacent to the practice ground was a tad hazardous, mind you!

At some point I will probably be asked to put on a practical session on the rules with the ones who have progressed a bit.

 

[bobmac]

Why did you take up the game without knowing this answer? It's one of the most fundamental rules.

Perhaps the OP has played all his golf at a course that has no water.

 

[rulefan]

I'm not talking about board games but about participation in sport where the first things you learn are the basic skills needed to take part like hitting a ball, sliding down a slope on skis, kicking a football around....

Taking up a sport has two major elements. 1) Learning the skills involved 2) Playing the game itself.
You can't do the latter without knowing what the game is.
I did the former by playing on my own for over six months and taking a few lessons from a retired pro. I was later joined by a friend who also was learning the skills. We thought about joining a club and in the meantime as there were waiting lists then, decided to learn the rules of the game we intended to play competitively.

 

[Colin L]

Precisely the sort of sequence I was referring to.

 

[chrisd]

Precisely the sort of sequence I was referring to.

Playing friends of mine played in the Club championship whilst I was away at the Old Farts meet. They said that you'd never believe the rules abuse, and ignorance of, that they witnessed., from advising on lines of putts, clubs to take etc etc.

When does a lack of rules knowledge touch the line of cheating?

 

[mashleyR7]

Playing friends of mine played in the Club championship whilst I was away at the Old Farts meet. They said that you'd never believe the rules abuse, and ignorance of, that they witnessed., from advising on lines of putts, clubs to take etc etc.

When does a lack of rules knowledge touch the line of cheating?

They don’t know they’re cheating though as they don’t know the rules.
I played in an open today ina three ball with the eventual winner, on the back 9 of the second round the 3rd person in our group kept telling the guy the slow down, take his time, think about the shot etc etc. I felt uncomfortable with this as on occasions it changed the winners shot choice. I don’t know the exact rule on this myself so I just kept myself to myself. I did pipe up once though when a ball was hit over a blind hill and the guy said it’s either in the ditch or pond, no need to hit a provisional. I said we can’t be certain it’s in there, and it took us the full 5 mins but we found it, nowhere near the ditch or pond.

 

[chrisd]

They don’t know they’re cheating though as they don’t know the rules.
I played in an open today ina three ball with the eventual winner, on the back 9 of the second round the 3rd person in our group kept telling the guy the slow down, take his time, think about the shot etc etc. I felt uncomfortable with this as on occasions it changed the winners shot choice. I don’t know the exact rule on this myself so I just kept myself to myself. I did pipe up once though when a ball was hit over a blind hill and the guy said it’s either in the ditch or pond, no need to hit a provisional. I said we can’t be certain it’s in there, and it took us the full 5 mins but we found it, nowhere near the ditch or pond.

The point is, for me, it's a rules based game, so if you don't bother to learn any then it's pretty close to cheating if a player goes round in a competition without observing even the most basic of the rules. I do accept that hardly any players know All the rules.

What you've described is clearly giving advice (albeit some wrong advice) and its against the rules to give advice and to take advice.

 

[Crow]

The point is, for me, it's a rules based game, so if you don't bother to learn any then it's pretty close to cheating if a player goes round in a competition without observing even the most basic of the rules. I do accept that hardly any players know All the rules.

What you've described is clearly giving advice (albeit some wrong advice) and its against the rules to give advice and to take advice.

As I understand it you can take advice as long as you've not asked for it, otherwise a player could be penalised just for being in earshot of another who is breaking the rules by offering them advice.

All gets a bit hazy then if a player (mate) is continuously offering advice to someone who is doing well, should the continual advice giver be ejected from the competition to prevent any more?