Rangers

[thecraw]

We cheated? we have been found guilty of NOTHING. Absolutely FK all..... yeah the old co went bust. and im actually agreeing with you that they should punish the new co by sending them to div 3.... but thats not what they want to do. they want to send us to div1 so that they punish us but we still keep the spl afloat when we come back up. Id be all for div3 and so would the vast majority of rangers fans.

Brilliant arrogance from a deluded Rangers fan who thinks Scottish Football will fall apart without the travelling Orcs!




:rofl:

 

[Revolt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18564685

You think other clubs arent in the same position just because they are not being public about it ?

why do you think all the clubs have came out and said... more or less... "we will vote no to rangers in the spl but we are begggggging all our fans to come and buy season tickets"

 

[DelB]

..... but we are begggggging all our fans to come and buy season tickets"

Fans have, until recently, refused to purchase season tickets until their clubs went public on how they would vote come 4th July. Now that those clubs have made their thoughts known, they are asking their supporters to go ahead and purchase their season books.

 

[NWJocko]

Never has a statement summed up the mood within Scottish Football more perfectly than this.............

http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/06/30/4134/

Well done to all those connected with this statement from the Bully Wee.

Couldn't agree more. A very rational, sensible view of things.

What I don't understand is people talking about rangers coming up in 1 year "saving" clubs financially.

I'm an Aberdeen fan, we are deep in debt as it is after all these years with rangers in the top league. It isnot as if rangers keep all other clubs in the black just by their presence in the league.

As has been pointed out, their away support has dwindled massively in recent years anyway.

 

[chris661]

thats exactly what it means. innocent until proven guilty. you cannot go around punishing people before a conclusion has been reached... would you be happy if you were hung for a murder before youd even been found guilty of it ? =]

So why have the SFA said they believe there was a case to answer with regards to contracts with extra payments then which is in direct contravention of the rules

 

[Iaing]

We cheated? we have been found guilty of NOTHING. Absolutely FK all..... yeah the old co went bust. and im actually agreeing with you that they should punish the new co by sending them to div 3.... but thats not what they want to do. they want to send us to div1 so that they punish us but we still keep the spl afloat when we come back up. Id be all for div3 and so would the vast majority of rangers fans.

You don't get it.
I agree that the newco haven't done anything wrong. But...
They're not being "sent" anywhere. To be sent somewhere, you've got to be somewhere to start with. And the newco don't exist (as yet) as far as the structure of Scottish football is concerned.

 

[Val]

You don't get it.
I agree that the newco haven't done anything wrong. But...
They're not being "sent" anywhere. To be sent somewhere, you've got to be somewhere to start with. And the newco don't exist (as yet) as far as the structure of Scottish football is concerned.

:clap:

:thup:

 

[StuartD]

Couldn't agree more. A very rational, sensible view of things.

What I don't understand is people talking about rangers coming up in 1 year "saving" clubs financially.

I'm an Aberdeen fan, we are deep in debt as it is after all these years with rangers in the top league. It isnot as if rangers keep all other clubs in the black just by their presence in the league.

As has been pointed out, their away support has dwindled massively in recent years anyway.

Without rangers, or Celtic for that matter, there is a big risk of sky terminatting the tv contract. The tv money is what is keeping clubs afloat. Sky have an option to terminate the contract if either of the old firm are not involved. This was added when there was talk of the old firm leaving Scottish football. The mail carried a story ages ago that sky would tolerate Rfc being away for a season. Now suddenly we have this sfl1 option on the table although I would agree that rfc would struggle to get out of sfl1

As for the dwindling away support. Most clubs still send their tickets direct to rfc to sell. All those tickets are allocated to rfc season ticket holders at the start of the season and payment taken well in advance of the game. Therefore if you see any empty seats they have been paid for. Celtic operate in exactly the same way. As for not putting much extra on the gate may I suggest it's your own fans not turning up. As you can no longer fleece just the old firm fans buy charging them alone extra, rules were changed so that you must charge same price for similar stands. Since the home fans are now also having to pay up to £6 extra I have noticed a huge decline in home support when I have been at games

Also although the gate may not be that much bigger clubs are still making more money from the increased admission prices. My mate(st j fan) is able to take him and his kid to an away game for £34 quid(£22 and £12) for an old firm fan it costs at least £45 (£28 and £17) for the same ground. Some grounds it was more as junior prices were not made available.

I am sure that motherwell sent information out to their fans showing that revenues from each of the old firm were comparable with the other 9 clubs put together

 

[chris661]

Without sevco or Celtic or sky money Scottish football WILL survive, clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly but the will carry on.

 

[Val]

Without sevco or Celtic or sky money Scottish football WILL survive, clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly but the will carry on.

Absoluetly, if clubs are looking at financial meltdown because Rangers won't be there then they need to concern themselves with the structure of their business rather than the structure if Scottish football.

 

[thecraw]

Without rangers, or Celtic for that matter, there is a big risk of sky terminatting the tv contract. The tv money is what is keeping clubs afloat. Sky have an option to terminate the contract if either of the old firm are not involved. This was added when there was talk of the old firm leaving Scottish football. The mail carried a story ages ago that sky would tolerate Rfc being away for a season. Now suddenly we have this sfl1 option on the table although I would agree that rfc would struggle to get out of sfl1

As for the dwindling away support. Most clubs still send their tickets direct to rfc to sell. All those tickets are allocated to rfc season ticket holders at the start of the season and payment taken well in advance of the game. Therefore if you see any empty seats they have been paid for. Celtic operate in exactly the same way. As for not putting much extra on the gate may I suggest it's your own fans not turning up. As you can no longer fleece just the old firm fans buy charging them alone extra, rules were changed so that you must charge same price for similar stands. Since the home fans are now also having to pay up to £6 extra I have noticed a huge decline in home support when I have been at games

Also although the gate may not be that much bigger clubs are still making more money from the increased admission prices. My mate(st j fan) is able to take him and his kid to an away game for £34 quid(£22 and £12) for an old firm fan it costs at least £45 (£28 and £17) for the same ground. Some grounds it was more as junior prices were not made available.

I am sure that motherwell sent information out to their fans showing that revenues from each of the old firm were comparable with the other 9 clubs put together

Sky TV and ESPN both shafted the SPL. The only teams that will be shafted is the Old Farm who demand the lions share of all revenue.

It'll actually allow the SPL teams to create a licence to broadcast their own TV highlights/live games. Creating a SPL TV channel is not as daft as it seems and it will generate more than the scraps that Murdoch and ESPN currently throw our way.

Great time for Scottish Football to give the bed sheets a big shake and get rid of the crap and lies the Old Farm have fed and bullied clubs for years with.

 

[Val]

The only teams that will be shafted is the Old Farm who demand the lions share of all the revenue .

Wrong again.

Let's get this fact 100% spot on, there is no longer any old firm, there is Celtic.

Go check your facts on tv revenue split, what % do you think favours Celtic and the now defunct team from Govan?

 

[StuartD]

Without sevco or Celtic or sky money Scottish football WILL survive, clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly but the will carry on.

I have no doubt it can. But too many clubs are in a position right now where they are dependant on the income. Clubs will try to cut there cloth and sell a few players but in today's world what happens if these players refuse to go. Clubs need to be in a position where they will be ok but it will not happen overnight. It may take a couple of years to get them into a position where they will be ok. Trouble is if the money keeps coming in they don't look that far ahead. Can we blame the clubs? If our wages suddenly stopped how long would we all survive? I reckon I would be ok for 1 year before I would need to take drastic action. Therefore I vote for the sfl1 plan

 

[StuartD]

Sky TV and ESPN both shafted the SPL. The only teams that will be shafted is the Old Farm who demand the lions share of all revenue.

It'll actually allow the SPL teams to create a licence to broadcast their own TV highlights/live games. Creating a SPL TV channel is not as daft as it seems and it will generate more than the scraps that Murdoch and ESPN currently throw our way.

Great time for Scottish Football to give the bed sheets a big shake and get rid of the crap and lies the Old Farm have fed and bullied clubs for years with.

Em the vast proportion of tv revenue is divided equally among the clubs. It's the pot allocated as prize money that can give you more. If it was so unfair why did all clubs vote for it?

As for this Spl tv, you do know that is was rejected by the 9 Spl clubs before. It was proposed by Celtic, Aberdeen and rangers when it was rumoured sitanta were in difficulties. Start up costs were deemed to accede by the other 9 so the sitanta deal was voted through and 6 months later they were gone

 

[smange]

We cheated? we have been found guilty of NOTHING. Absolutely FK all..... yeah the old co went bust. and im actually agreeing with you that they should punish the new co by sending them to div 3.... but thats not what they want to do. they want to send us to div1 so that they punish us but we still keep the spl afloat when we come back up. Id be all for div3 and so would the vast majority of rangers fans.

Correct me if im wrong but havent the old Rangers been found guilty of non payment of taxes? Tax money that should have been paid to HMRC but was instead spent on buying and maintaining a strong team. Thats cheating of the highest order and if your denying that then you really shouldnt be taking part in this discussion which on the whole has been pretty much honest and sensible.

My club Dunfermline apparently paid £2 million in tax last season, I think had we spent that money on the team we would have comfortably stayed in the SPL last season and im sure if that had happened and then it came out you would have accused us of being cheats.

Take your blue tinted glasses off mate and look at the bigger picture.

 

[thecraw]

Em the vast proportion of tv revenue is divided equally among the clubs. It's the pot allocated as prize money that can give you more. If it was so unfair why did all clubs vote for it?

As for this Spl tv, you do know that is was rejected by the 9 Spl clubs before. It was proposed by Celtic, Aberdeen and rangers when it was rumoured sitanta were in difficulties. Start up costs were deemed to accede by the other 9 so the sitanta deal was voted through and 6 months later they were gone

It wasn't SPL TV that was rejected it was Rangers Celtic and Aberdeen wishing to remain with a more secure and longer Sky TV deal.

 

[thecraw]

Wrong again.

Let's get this fact 100% spot on, there is no longer any old firm, there is Celtic.

Go check your facts on tv revenue split, what % do you think favours Celtic and the now defunct team from Govan?

I mentioned nothing about the Sky money, I did word it wrongly though. I was getting at the 70% or near enough that the top two demanded every year, ie Rangers and Celtic and left the scraps for the rest.

All totally wrong and typical bullying that the SPL teams have endured for years.

:ears:

 

[Dodger]

What I have never understood is why the diddy clubs complain re the share of TV cash.

The majority of the games are showing Celtic or Rangers so tell me why should Inverness CT get the same share as those teams that are shown say 20 times a season compared to those featured 5 times a year?

Am I missing something? Genuine question guys.

 

[Val]

I mentioned nothing about the Sky money, I did word it wrongly though. I was getting at the 70% or near enough that the top two demanded every year, ie Rangers and Celtic and left the scraps for the rest.

All totally wrong and typical bullying that the SPL teams have endured for years.

:ears:

So this 70% you talk of if it not sky money what is it?

And before you respond go get some accurate fact rather than hearsay

 

[Val]

What I have never understood is why the diddy clubs complain re the share of TV cash.

The majority of the games are showing Celtic or Rangers so tell me why should Inverness CT get the same share as those teams that are shown say 20 times a season compared to those featured 5 times a year?

Am I missing something? Genuine question guys.

Your not, if anything Celtic and Rangers got hard done by.

48% equal split the remainder based on league position and with a fair split.