Rangers

[smange]

That may be the case, sorry it is the case however they still need to be allowed to play in the lower leagues. I guess the only plus point from all this is the chance of the "diddy" teams like Brechin and Albion Rovers etc will get a bumper windfall for a season by getting the rioters visiting them.

Exactly Craw and thats why the 2nd and 3rd division chairmen will vote to let them in the leagues, and you cant blame them for looking after themselves.

My main gripe is that there are other teams who have applied for previous available slots in the leagues and they arent even being talked about, it just seems to be a given that The Rangers should start in the 3rd and to hell with these other clubs.

Completely unfair to these clubs who have done everything that has been asked of them and kept their finances in order to enable them to apply for league positions if and when they become available.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Exactly Craw and thats why the 2nd and 3rd division chairmen will vote to let them in the leagues, and you cant blame them for looking after themselves.

My main gripe is that there are other teams who have applied for previous available slots in the leagues and they arent even being talked about, it just seems to be a given that The Rangers should start in the 3rd and to hell with these other clubs.

Completely unfair to these clubs who have done everything that has been asked of them and kept their finances in order to enable them to apply for league positions if and when they become available.

OK, I'm going to have to say it.

If all the teams that have applied before apply along with a new entity playing at Ibrox and likely to attract (in div 3 mind) the second biggest support in the entire country is there any way these other bids can compete? No - it's a complete no brainer.

The best thing for Scottish football is to allow "New Rangers" into div 3. That's not arrogance or anything else, trust me, I'm well battered by this whole experience; it's just realistic.

 

[smange]

OK, I'm going to have to say it.

If all the teams that have applied before apply along with a new entity playing at Ibrox and likely to attract (in div 3 mind) the second biggest support in the entire country is there any way these other bids can compete? No - it's a complete no brainer.

The best thing for Scottish football is to allow "New Rangers" into div 3. That's not arrogance or anything else, trust me, I'm well battered by this whole experience; it's just realistic.

Im not saying its not the best for Scottish football in the long run financially.

We are back to these words "sporting integrity"

All im saying is that these "non-league" clubs seem to be forgotten here and a club that has risen from the death of a club who has been found guilty of all sorts is being fast tracked into the league set up purely because of fan base.

Is that fair and sporting?

 

[granters]

a little light relief?

http://youtu.be/6KDyEDKwZik

some crackin one lines from Herr Hitler

 

[FairwayDodger]

Im not saying its not the best for Scottish football in the long run financially.

We are back to these words "sporting integrity"

All im saying is that these "non-league" clubs seem to be forgotten here and a club that has risen from the death of a club who has been found guilty of all sorts is being fast tracked into the league set up purely because of fan base.

Is that fair and sporting?

It's a new entity with infrastructure and support at such a high level that bids such as we've seen in recent years would pale into insignificance by comparison. You could have an open process and invite other bids but the likes of Spartans would be wasting their time and money.

Come on - it's div 3 we're talking here - will you not be happy unless they go out of existence completely?

 

[bladeplayer]

Is that fair and sporting?

Definatly not , because the people involved , have shown they want to be in the SPL or if not then the 1st division & are only, or may only accept this because there is no other option , where as the other clubs are striving & building twords geting into the league .. & have quiet possibly run their club within the rules & regulations set down in order to do so .

Not fair , not sporting , then again money (if there is any) talks

 

[thecraw]

It's a new entity with infrastructure and support at such a high level that bids such as we've seen in recent years would pale into insignificance by comparison. You could have an open process and invite other bids but the likes of Spartans would be wasting their time and money.

Come on - it's div 3 we're talking here - will you not be happy unless they go out of existence completely?

I fear I may sound like Dodger here but its entirely what they deserve. Walk away from a mountain of debt, deceit and lies. Keep all your assets and start again debt free while Aberdeen, Dundee United Kilmarnock etc are servicing debt and trying their hardest to stay within their means and compete.

I actually do want Rangers to disappear for good!

 

[FairwayDodger]

I fear I may sound like Dodger here but its entirely what they deserve. Walk away from a mountain of debt, deceit and lies. Keep all your assets and start again debt free while Aberdeen, Dundee United Kilmarnock etc are servicing debt and trying their hardest to stay within their means and compete.

I actually do want Rangers to disappear for good!

How about Motherwell?
Dundee?
Livingston?
Airdrie?

If/when the music stops for Kilmarnock, Aberdeen, Hearts will you want them to die?

 

[thecraw]

How about Motherwell?
Dundee?
Livingston?
Airdrie?

If/when the music stops for Kilmarnock, Aberdeen, Hearts will you want them to die?

They have (as far as I'm aware) not cheated the tax man and the tax paying Joe Public who will ultimately pick up and pay Rangers unpaid taxes. If any of them are are villainous as Rangers have been conducting their cheating over the years then yes they also deserve to go out of existence.

Rather a pedantic reply from you.

 

[smange]

How about Motherwell?
Dundee?
Livingston?
Airdrie?

If/when the music stops for Kilmarnock, Aberdeen, Hearts will you want them to die?

I think your missing the point a bit and also taking it a bit personal as a Rangers supporter.

Take all that is bad about Rangers before all this nonsense (sectarianism and hate filled bigotry) add into that all the financial shenanigans of late which has been proved to be tantamount to years and years of blatent cheating as well as the downright arrogance of a large part of the Rangers support and I think you can get why some people are quite happy to see Rangers disappear completely.

Trust me there are many many supporters of other clubs in Scotland hoping that something similar comes out about your ugly sisters across the city and we can get rid of them as well.

These other clubs that you mention have (as far as we know to date) not been guilty of cheating in a way Rangers have, so no people do not want to see them disappear.

 

[FairwayDodger]

They have (as far as I'm aware) not cheated the tax man and the tax paying Joe Public who will ultimately pick up and pay Rangers unpaid taxes. If any of them are are villainous as Rangers have been conducting their cheating over the years then yes they also deserve to go out of existence.

Rather a pedantic reply from you.

Well they "cheated" by going into administration and not paying their debts. Whether they owed the taxman or not I'm not sure. Without doing any research I'd guess they did actually. Not as much, sure.

And BTW what Airdrie did was far worse than anything Rangers have done........ in my opinion!

It seems to me that to continue to want to drive Rangers out of existence is only bitterness at this stage. All the "wrongdoers" have left and hopefully the authorities will catch up with them in due course. The club looks like heading for div 3 - which is a lot of punishment actually.

If they disappear altogether all that happens is that many thousands of innocent supporters lose their team and the majority will probably drift away from Scottish football entirely. I don't believe that's in anybody's interest.

 

[thecraw]

Well they "cheated" by going into administration and not paying their debts. Whether they owed the taxman or not I'm not sure. Without doing any research I'd guess they did actually. Not as much, sure.

And BTW what Airdrie did was far worse than anything Rangers have done........ in my opinion!

It seems to me that to continue to want to drive Rangers out of existence is only bitterness at this stage. All the "wrongdoers" have left and hopefully the authorities will catch up with them in due course. The club looks like heading for div 3 - which is a lot of punishment actually.

If they disappear altogether all that happens is that many thousands of innocent supporters lose their team and the majority will probably drift away from Scottish football entirely. I don't believe that's in anybody's interest.

And keep all their assets. Your having a giraffe!

Absolute joke. There is a lot more of this still to come out and I think there is a lot more on the Craig Whyte saga!

 

[FairwayDodger]

And keep all their assets. Your having a giraffe!

Absolute joke. There is a lot more of this still to come out and I think there is a lot more on the Craig Whyte saga!

I'm serious actually. Who are you actually punishing now? It's reaching the vindictive stage. I don't think Scottish football can afford to lose the thousands of customers who support Rangers and see no reason they shouldn't be allowed to restart in div 3.

As for Craig Whyte - I hope they've got a cold jail cell waiting for that man.

 

[thecraw]

I'm serious actually. Who are you actually punishing now? It's reaching the vindictive stage. I don't think Scottish football can afford to lose the thousands of customers who support Rangers and see no reason they shouldn't be allowed to restart in div 3.

As for Craig Whyte - I hope they've got a cold jail cell waiting for that man.

This will be the same innocent fans who revelled in the success, gloated and taunted opposition fans who watched their own team suffer due to financial limitations and constraints.

Scottish football will comfortably survive without Rangers. Its Celtic who will suffer most.

 

[FairwayDodger]

This will be the same innocent fans who revelled in the success, gloated and taunted opposition fans who watched their own team suffer due to financial limitations and constraints.

Scottish football will comfortably survive without Rangers.

In the traditional style of all football fans, yes. Scottish football will survive but it will be diminished.

Its Celtic who will suffer most.

Not all bad then.

 

[Mungoscorner]

In all fairness,this thread would contain more or less the same content if it were Celtic in this position.
It would also be the same if it were Man Utd,Chelsea for example.A large percentage of people (excluding there own supporters) would be happy to see the big teams fall,and Rangers are/were one of the big teams.
Scottish football is on its arse,and has been for years,just look at where our national team are ranked.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Many of Old Rangers 'fans' just tagged along with the sectarian issues and success of the club. As I said earlier they will be 'awa like sna off a dyke' now. The glory hunters have no glory.
I hope the club survives and thier not quite so ugly sister's fans have the dignity to understand that Scottish football reject much of what they both stood for.
The SFA really do need to grasp the nettle and get on with reorganising Scottish football without the ugliest sister of them all, Sky's Murdoch clan.
We welcome lower crowds and lower expectations so that we can at last have a level football playing field.

 

[sweatysock41]

I've read the main jist of this thread and the likely outcome for Rangers.

I will just give a comparison as to what happened to our local 'non-league, semi-professional team'. Nuneaton Borough as was lived beyond their means, a local businessman was seen as the saviour - of course he wanted to look at the books etc and to cut a long story short there was no way he was going to take on the debts and the only option left was liquidation - familiar I think.

He then bought the remaining assets which I believe is what has happened/is happening at Rangers. The club was told by the local FA that they could reform at a level 2 divisions below where they were and not allowed to use Borough in the new name (from being in Conference North to Southern League Midland division). Consequently this was the outcome and the club that should have been relegated from Conference North was reprieved - now I don't see that as being much different to Rangers Newco being allowed into Division 3.

A lot of the players showed loyalty to the club and remained with them under revised contracts and now after 3 promotions in 4 years as Nuneaton Town they are in Conference Premier. For the fans there was the pain of visiting some places that were not much more than council pitches with a barrier but having a club to support was the most important thing. I have no allegiance at all in this but to say a club should disappear completely I find vindictive.

 

[Val]

Well they "cheated" by going into administration and not paying their debts. Whether they owed the taxman or not I'm not sure. Without doing any research I'd guess they did actually. Not as much, sure.

And BTW what Airdrie did was far worse than anything Rangers have done........ in my opinion!

It seems to me that to continue to want to drive Rangers out of existence is only bitterness at this stage. All the "wrongdoers" have left and hopefully the authorities will catch up with them in due course. The club looks like heading for div 3 - which is a lot of punishment actually.

If they disappear altogether all that happens is that many thousands of innocent supporters lose their team and the majority will probably drift away from Scottish football entirely. I don't believe that's in anybody's interest.

Who are this Airdrie you talk of, they disappeared 10 years after Murray called the administrators in on them.

 

[Val]

This will be the same innocent fans who revelled in the success, gloated and taunted opposition fans who watched their own team suffer due to financial limitations and constraints.

Scottish football will comfortably survive without Rangers. Its Celtic who will suffer most.

Celtic will not suffer the most, Celtic can take a hit of a few million a season easily, St Mirren with a turnover of £3.5m is a different story not to mention clubs with debt.